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Old 08-13-2003, 12:10 AM
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I WAS THINKING OF RUNING A 200 SHOT INSTEAD OF MY 150 SHOT, I WAS WONDERING WHAT JET'S WOULD MAKE IT A 200 SHOT ?????????

01 A-4, 3:42, TSP LID, 3INCH CUT OUT AND A NX 150 WET SHOT
Old 08-13-2003, 01:38 AM
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Is it a stock bottom end???
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what the jets for 150 shot??
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150, I use 62/33 from NX, cant remember if that is the suggested or if thats my "leaner" jetting though. I wouldnt go 200 on wet kit, just not enough distribution if you ask me.

Once the NXL comes out, I WILL run a 200shot, albeit Progressively timed, but it will be there, and yes on the stock bottom end!
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Dude talking about a time bomb with a short fuse
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150, I use 62/33 from NX, cant remember if that is the suggested or if thats my "leaner" jetting though. I wouldnt go 200 on wet kit, just not enough distribution if you ask me.

Once the NXL comes out, I WILL run a 200shot, albeit Progressively timed, but it will be there, and yes on the stock bottom end!
You are aware that Reckless did this exact thing........ ran a 200 shot with a custom DP kit and now has a hole the size of my fist in the side of his block.
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Yep...that crazy bastage. Heard he may have forgot to prime his fuel also...ouch that would hurt a little. Are you aware of how many times he swapped combos on that car? Or how he ran the hell outta it? He's kind of a legend here on island, the man who changed power adders and cam combos as much as most surfers change their shorts....once a month <>
But, my theory is that the block will hold it if PROGRESSIVELY TIMED....in which Todd I believe tried blowing the whole bottle outta the hole as well....just another 100+lbs of torque spike at once. I am more curious as to whether my trans will take it? Followed by the POS rear? But, if it make sit once, then I am half way there, only gotta do two runs...one to do it, one to back that azz up!
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Default Re: IS ANY ONE RUNING A 200HP SHOT ON A STOCK LS1 ???????

Ok on follow up to this question... Im planning on doing a 150 wet shot on my car, Its stock 02 Ls1 everthing. Can i get away with Pumping a 150 shot on this. I installed the colder nitrous sprk plugs already. What do you guys think?
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I would highley reccomend call some people and go more than 1 step colder plug, the tr6's are not enough for anything over 175 and thats pushing it if you dont know how to read your plugs.Also I run a 200 shot on my car completely stock with a upgraded fuel pump...my car went 11.20 on 150...ran it one time on 200 before the pump and it leaned out and still went 11.15@115 half track..I woulkd reccomend gettina few steps colder than stock..1 step colder wont cut it.Just my.02
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One step colder is ok, not perfect but your inbetweenthe 100hp gain rule of thumb. I can sharemy experience, I spray a 150 on Tr6 gapped at .037" or 8, and its fine. Maybe if I went with a differnt plug I could pick up .005 ok, not worth it. The plugs last a lot longer than they should have...mine went 14k+, but should have been about 8-10k miles and a few bottle less.

I would not try pushing the pump, thats my opinion. Some of these cars are already turning out more power than others, and 150 is pushing it. Fewer people can run it on a stock pump, and see gians over the 100shot, than cannot. My friends and I have yet to see any real 50hp gai, or even 40 on a 150 over 100 with a stock pump, and some like mine need an intake but thats not your case with an 02.

I wish you luck and hope the fuel is there for you.
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Yep...that crazy bastage. Heard he may have forgot to prime his fuel also...ouch that would hurt a little. Are you aware of how many times he swapped combos on that car? Or how he ran the hell outta it? He's kind of a legend here on island, the man who changed power adders and cam combos as much as most surfers change their shorts....once a month <>
But, my theory is that the block will hold it if PROGRESSIVELY TIMED....in which Todd I believe tried blowing the whole bottle outta the hole as well....just another 100+lbs of torque spike at once. I am more curious as to whether my trans will take it? Followed by the POS rear? But, if it make sit once, then I am half way there, only gotta do two runs...one to do it, one to back that azz up!
Dude, if you're still running the 10 bolt and think it's going to hold on a 200 shot........ U B crazy man. I'm sure if the rest of your driveline isn't up to par it will break before the motor. You might have a slightly better chance with the motor holding up with the progressive shot, but it still sounds really risky to me. I'm going to get the NXL kit myself on my H/C car but I don't think I'd ever try anything over a 150 shot. Good luck tho! BTW what fuel pump you gonna run?
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I have the Walbro already, and TR224 cam, no heads work yet. Stock trans w/Yank 3k stall, never had a problem yet, but a sponsor has the replacement in case it lets go, and its only $2500. The rear, As much as this track slips, notta a problem, a few good revolutions on the slicks at take off, and let it ramp up. Start small at the line, and slow build. If that holds, start bringing the build time down. Yeah, I am crazy!
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Default Re: IS ANY ONE RUNING A 200HP SHOT ON A STOCK LS1 ???????

My Mike Kurtz-built 4L60E failed in grand fashion shortly after I started spraying 100 shots on it. Maybe ~10 street races on the juice and then it went bye bye.


Something to keep in mind...

(Not to mention I second the guy who pointed out the weakness of the stock 10-bolt rear)
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i went 10.73 @ 128 3x on a 150 shot... stock rear end... but she didnt like it started whining and posi went out shortly after with a wheels up N/A run... so becareful. If you have the money to do it right... Rear End, Drive Shaft... why take the chance of grenading the stocker having the car down while u replace everything. Drive it, enjoy it.
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Sheesh... that's too early for a 4l60 to die ... If you need a 4l60 that'll handle it, lemme know -- i can point you in the right direction, ie. my garage, I have an extra one sitting in there, that's been built properly and ready to go its identical twin has been in a full-weight heads/cam/etc. car with 100 shot for about 12,000 miles now.
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You can spray a 200 on your car. But the chances are its either going go slower than it did with a smaller shot and burn a piston b/c it ran wayyyy to lean, its just going to freaking grenade, the transmission is going to die about the 2nd pass down the track or like stated before, the rear end will die.

I will tell you from experience that big shots of nitrous don't help with a stock fuel system b/c it leans out too much and runs slower(or burns a piston and in my case I was lucky). At least get a Racetronix in-tank set-up and GO DIRECT PORT for that size of a shot. The stock transmission will NOT hold and its HARD and almost IMPOSSIBLE to find someone who knows what they are doing. I would recommend calling Chuck @ Finish Line(on the right side of the page) and tell you want a built trans for nitrous. I have been throw 2 stock transmission and 2 supposedly "built" transmissions and my FLP transmission has had about 45 passes on it and about 25 of those are nitrous passes and I haven't had any problems.--- the others usually died the first 4-6 passes. As for rear ends..... if you don't want to spend the money on a 12 bolt, buy a set or moser axles, a locker and a rear end cover and some suspension parts and you should be good to go.

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Default Re: IS ANY ONE RUNING A 200HP SHOT ON A STOCK LS1 ???????

Sure, you can run a 200 shot on a stock engine.

Hear's how I would do it...

TR-6 plugs gapped at .035.
106 motor octane unleaded racing fuel.
Plenty of fuel pump!
Plenty of fuel line!
Timing backed off to about 22 degrees.
WOT mixture set nice and fat at about 11.8:1.
3600 stall converter.
Window switch set to activate from 3600-5800.
Shifts at 5800.

And of course, there are no guarantees when you're running nitrous. Kids, don't try this at home!



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I believe you can run a 200 shot, but if you do, go with a DP system, (will really benifit you when you upgrade to a better motor), have it dyno tuned so your AF ratio is dead on. Spray above 3500 to 6000. If you take all the safety percautions, you should have lots of fun.
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Default Re: IS ANY ONE RUNING A 200HP SHOT ON A STOCK LS1 ???????

Ditto on Col's list.

We two-staged a 98Z back in 1999 and it went 10.8@124mph on ~225 shot at full weight, ~3700 raceweight. Car went 11.49@116mph on one stage.

Added an inline pump and ran straight race gas. One stage was a NX 150 shot, and the other was a rigged up NX dry shot using an NOS nozzle.

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Default Re: IS ANY ONE RUNING A 200HP SHOT ON A STOCK LS1 ???????

Ditto on Col's list.

We two-staged a 98Z back in 1999 and it went <a href="mailto:10.8@124mph">10.8@124mph</a> on ~225 shot at full weight, ~3700 raceweight. Car went <a href="mailto:11.49@116mph">10.8@124mph">10.8@124mp h</a> on ~225 shot at full weight, ~3700 raceweight. Car went <a href="mailto:11.49@116mph</a> on one stage.

Added an inline pump and ran straight race gas. One stage was a NX 150 shot, and the other was a rigged up NX dry shot using an NOS nozzle.


ProStockJohn...did you upgrade to larger fuel line/rail or just the pumps? I want to add 150 shot to my 382 and will likely be going with twin walboro via Racetronix, but have been told by LPE and MTI that stock rails/line is adequate for a LOT of power, certainly the 600rwhp or so my set up will probably make.

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