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Old 09-18-2008, 04:47 PM
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12:1 solid roller 410ci LQ9 motor
TH400 with 4K converter
fab 9in with 3.73 gears@3005lbs
2 stage dry kit (275 on first hit, 225 on second hit)
BS3 with 84lb injectors and a Weldon 2345 pump
NGK 10s with sonoco 116 nitrous blend fuel

With this setup it went 8.47@165 on a really rich tunup. Only time down the 1/4 mile. Went a best of 5.37@133 in the 1/8.


This year I am changing it up alittle with more head work, bigger headers from american racing headers (2in primary with 4in merge collector), and another kit of 200 worth. Should be a ride with 700 pills in it.

ATVracer, knows good on his tuning skills. We run the car like this and it really does good. No head lifting at all not even one time. Cometics with 10 degrees of timing with 1/2 head studs. Probably be running damn near no total timing at all this year. LOL
How high do you rev your car? Are you still using the stock oiling system?
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Like said above. I would start with some 10s. I use NGK stock number 5820. Orielys has them on the shelf around here. I use a new set in each car everytime we go to the track. Not between runs but between races. Cheap insurance. Run the highest race oxygenated fuel you can. I race with a special nitrous blend 116 fuel that Sunoco makes in both cars. Our true street car looks alot like your setup. 408 with carb style intake with a plate and a acufab TB. With 350 pills in the plate we have gone 5.60@122 with a 1.27 60ft on 275/60 radials. Nothing special, just alittle street car. Same gas and plugs and both cars have the same tuner.
Why the oxygenated race fuel are you still running O2 sensors or is there another reason. And are you running the same timing as others have suggested. I am hoping for some mid 5's in the 1/8. I am mostly going to grudge race the car it still has the leather interior in it. I should be able to launch the car pretty hard I have 28-13.50 et streets on the car. is that 350 shot progressed.
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OK...you guys seem to be the experts. I have a 408, 10.9:1 CR and was planning on spraying a wet shot, plate kit. I am planning on starting low 150 shot and working my way up to 200, then 250. What plug would you guys recommend with each of these shots and how much timing? Should I go to a stand alone fuel system for the 200+ shot or 150+. What fuel should I run? I use HP Tuners and currently my timing is 28* but that is NA tune. I currently have TR6's thinking that would be good for the 150 and going 1-2 colder for the 200 and 250.

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HKE 408 12.0:1 on E85
WCCH L92's
Kooks 1 7/8 stepped headers
M6 w/ mcleod twin disk
Nitrous Outlet Custom 3 stage Beck Sheet Metal
Nitrous Outlet High Pressure Standalone w/ E85 in it
Nasty Performance stage 3 double pumper kit w/ 60# injectors
NOS Launcher and MSD timing twister for electronics
300 is planned
10-12* total timing

motor is built, fuel system going in, intake is at nitrous outlet awaiting PRI show...and well it wont be on the street until end of december probably but once it is on the street watch out!
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Originally Posted by ExceSSive
OK...you guys seem to be the experts. I have a 408, 10.9:1 CR and was planning on spraying a wet shot, plate kit. I am planning on starting low 150 shot and working my way up to 200, then 250. What plug would you guys recommend with each of these shots and how much timing? Should I go to a stand alone fuel system for the 200+ shot or 150+. What fuel should I run? I use HP Tuners and currently my timing is 28* but that is NA tune. I currently have TR6's thinking that would be good for the 150 and going 1-2 colder for the 200 and 250.

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FOr your compression, when you put the 150 to it I would get sime # 8 heat range plugs with the 150 to start. Once you're ready to move it up to 200, go toa #9, then with the 250 a #10. Ya probably will be able to stick with the #9 with the 250 because your compression is a little lower, but I would still start with the 10. It's only gonna help save things.

Timing, I have 17 degrees in my car with a 150 hit, but I know it will take a couple more degrees, so 17 would be a good safe starting point for where you're at. Ya probably will be able to work it back up to about 10 on a 150 hit, then when you go to the 100, pull 3 more back out, see what the plugs look like, I'd guess you will be able to work a degree back into it. Then when you go to the 250, again pull 3 more and see what the plugs look like, again you'll probably be able to put a degree back into it.

Always better to start safe then go burn the barn down on the first run.

On the fuel side, with your compression you probably can get away with 110 octane (I do NOT believe in running one fuel in the tank and one in the standalone, run the same thign everywhere) and be safe on the 150 shot, 200 I dunno if the 110 would be 100% safe, 250 I would definately gho toa 116 octane fuel.

For the cost of the fuel vs the cost of a set of pistons... I always air on the side of caution. The fuel that guess who is running is pretty good stuff, I run a a118 octane Nos blend made by Torco, but torco's in trouble right now and the last batch that was made is not up to par from what I hear, the stuff I have is out of a year old drum that was just cracked, so once that is gone, I'm switching over to VP unless someone buys torco out and gets the good stuff being made again. This is a shitty situation because the torco was really good fuel, and a TON cheaper then what VP stuff is. Unofrtunately, there's nowhere around here to get the sunoco stuff or rockett fuel either, who also makes a pretty good 117 octane fuel.

Unfortunately, I am probably gonna switch over to VP when get back to racing (taking a year off after the end of this season) and depending on the cost, I may just get a drum of the C23, that's mad expensive ****, but I only go thru about one drum a season, so it's not a huge deal. Last time I checked, the C23 was like 725 for a 55 gallon drum, but that's what all the big nitrous cars are running, that's what steve Johnson reccommends for fuel for cars with alotof nitrous on them, so I wll probably go that route.

When I get teh car back out, there's gonna be a directport on it with probably a launcher setup on it as well, and I'm gonna put some power to thei thing and see what it will do, so the better fuel, is an added safety net.
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
How high do you rev your car? Are you still using the stock oiling system?
Yes, car has a stock GM oil pump and pan. Rev limiter is set at 7200 but I only run it up to 7000.

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Why the oxygenated race fuel are you still running O2 sensors or is there another reason. And are you running the same timing as others have suggested. I am hoping for some mid 5's in the 1/8. I am mostly going to grudge race the car it still has the leather interior in it. I should be able to launch the car pretty hard I have 28-13.50 et streets on the car. is that 350 shot progressed.
higher the amount of oxygen in the fuel the better. It is hard to get and some fuels have more then others. ET-streets suck big dick. If I were you, I would put a 325/50 MT radial on it. Easy to go low 1.2 60s on them. Yes the 350 is progressed with a NOS digital controller.
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Are you running the new launcher system?
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Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by GueSS Who
Yes, car has a stock GM oil pump and pan. Rev limiter is set at 7200 but I only run it up to 7000.



higher the amount of oxygen in the fuel the better. It is hard to get and some fuels have more then others. ET-streets suck big dick. If I were you, I would put a 325/50 MT radial on it. Easy to go low 1.2 60s on them. Yes the 350 is progressed with a NOS digital controller.
I had planned on running the 325-50 MT radial and at the beginning of the year they were on back order. I wish I had known they actually hook better I would have just waited. But they should fit on my car no problem so I may go ahead and buy a set now.



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