What's the history behind the black/satin berger panel?
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What's the history behind the black/satin berger panel?
Was this an SLP Option?
Dropped mine off to a guy today to get it re-done in Satin and he said it's not gonna look good (It's already gloss black.) "Hey...... I don't care how much you think you know about this stuff, but I've been painting for over 30 years and I've done a lot of top of the line cars and I'm tellin ya it's not gonna look right." He says it's like "chunking" a car by picking panels and painting them a different color. Wondering what he has planned though.
Just curious and I want to have some "ammo" to justify why I want the satin black panel. What's the history behind the black/satin berger panel?
Dropped mine off to a guy today to get it re-done in Satin and he said it's not gonna look good (It's already gloss black.) "Hey...... I don't care how much you think you know about this stuff, but I've been painting for over 30 years and I've done a lot of top of the line cars and I'm tellin ya it's not gonna look right." He says it's like "chunking" a car by picking panels and painting them a different color. Wondering what he has planned though.
Just curious and I want to have some "ammo" to justify why I want the satin black panel. What's the history behind the black/satin berger panel?
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Nothing to do with the current 4th gens
Certain first-generation Camaro models had semi-gloss black-out paint applied to the body to influence the appearance. There were two types, a "ground-effect" black-out applied to the rocker-panel/body-sill area for certain exterior trim options, and a blacked-out tailpan applied to SS-396 cars.
Body sill black-out paint was applied to Z22 (RS) cars in 1967 and 1968, and to Z21 (style trim), Z22 (RS), and COPO 9560/9561 cars in 1969. But there were several body colors that were simply just too dark for this paint scheme to be effective, and for these colors (more below) the body sill black-out paint was omitted. Additionally, the body sill black-out was omitted for special models like the 1969 Z11 Indy Pace Car convertible trim package and the 1969 Z10 coupe trim package. A Chevrolet Product Bulletin dated 2-4-69 describes the Z11 (Pace Car trim package) package and includes this instruction: "Body sill to be painted white instead of black." Although no instructions have been found for the Z10 coupe, the intent would have been the same.
There was also a paint color exception for the SS-396 tailpan black-out, but it was limited to black vehicles. In other words, only black (and special models like Z11 and Z10) SS-396 cars did not receive the (semi-gloss) blacked-out tailpans."
Body sill black-out paint was applied to Z22 (RS) cars in 1967 and 1968, and to Z21 (style trim), Z22 (RS), and COPO 9560/9561 cars in 1969. But there were several body colors that were simply just too dark for this paint scheme to be effective, and for these colors (more below) the body sill black-out paint was omitted. Additionally, the body sill black-out was omitted for special models like the 1969 Z11 Indy Pace Car convertible trim package and the 1969 Z10 coupe trim package. A Chevrolet Product Bulletin dated 2-4-69 describes the Z11 (Pace Car trim package) package and includes this instruction: "Body sill to be painted white instead of black." Although no instructions have been found for the Z10 coupe, the intent would have been the same.
There was also a paint color exception for the SS-396 tailpan black-out, but it was limited to black vehicles. In other words, only black (and special models like Z11 and Z10) SS-396 cars did not receive the (semi-gloss) blacked-out tailpans."
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^ Hmmm.... Earlier models? First Gen?
And this guy isn't the type to **** off either, so I'm not gonna tell him to get lost or anything. I just listened to him and kept an open mind. Told him I wanted to break up the red monotony a bit on the car.
And this guy isn't the type to **** off either, so I'm not gonna tell him to get lost or anything. I just listened to him and kept an open mind. Told him I wanted to break up the red monotony a bit on the car.
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^ No idea on that one.. Would like to know.
My paint guy said he would have just done the letters black. If EP has Onyx Black letters, I'd do that.. I wanted their Onyx black Z28 stuff, but wouldn't be right on a black berger panel.
But a CF berger on the other hand...
My paint guy said he would have just done the letters black. If EP has Onyx Black letters, I'd do that.. I wanted their Onyx black Z28 stuff, but wouldn't be right on a black berger panel.
But a CF berger on the other hand...
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I'd ask him why the f--- he cares he's getting paid aint he. Spraying a berger panel is nothing, you should tell him to kiss you *** and do it yourself.
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And no.... Trust me.... I work for Italians and he's next door with a body shop.. That's all I'll say. So he's NOT the type to be getting on his bad side. And I think once he sees the car, he should see what I'm talking about. It's not THAT out of place. Not like painting the entire front bumper black on a red car.... THAT would be out of place.
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I agree, I tried to explain what the berger mod was to a non f-body friend of mine and he was like "huh????". Seeing is believing he will most likely think it looks better than he expected, even if he doesn't love it. And well since its free.... just right it out
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A dealership called Berger Chevrolet (hence the name) did the black tail panel as part of their dealer-modified Camaros.
They still sell modified factory Camaros today.
http://www.mlive.com/business/west-m...2/post_21.html
They still sell modified factory Camaros today.
http://www.mlive.com/business/west-m...2/post_21.html
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Before and After
The Berger Panel is a mod that can easily be changed back to stock...I kept the original and purchased another to paint for $40.00..I went Black Gloss 41U with Red letters..
The Berger is a herritage thing.......dating back to the 1st gens..Berger just had the idea and put on all his upfitted 4th gen Camaro's...Always in Satin or Flat Black..
Plus, I think it looks better...
The Berger is a herritage thing.......dating back to the 1st gens..Berger just had the idea and put on all his upfitted 4th gen Camaro's...Always in Satin or Flat Black..
Plus, I think it looks better...