HP Tuner Vs. EFI Live
03-19-2010, 01:35 AM
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Some of the modified tunes on Holdencrazy I wouldnt put in a lawnmower. There is a fair bit of table raping to get the things to run, which would just set the tuner back when it came time to do the job properly.
While not having any dealings with Frost, the general consensus is that he gives out a top quality product, and he will work with you to get the tune sorted if you had any issues. Send him a pm.
While not having any dealings with Frost, the general consensus is that he gives out a top quality product, and he will work with you to get the tune sorted if you had any issues. Send him a pm.
03-19-2010, 10:51 AM
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baddbird99,
That sounds like a good plan (get a tune from Frost).
Regarding which software would work better:
- HPTuners users will say HPTuners works better,
- EFILive users will say EFILive works better,
You will have to get demo versions of each and try them out for yourself...
Go to HPT for demo software.
Go here for EFILive software (this is the actual software).
That sounds like a good plan (get a tune from Frost).
Regarding which software would work better:
- HPTuners users will say HPTuners works better,
- EFILive users will say EFILive works better,
You will have to get demo versions of each and try them out for yourself...
Go to HPT for demo software.
Go here for EFILive software (this is the actual software).
03-30-2010, 04:09 PM
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baddbird99,
That sounds like a good plan (get a tune from Frost).
Regarding which software would work better:
- HPTuners users will say HPTuners works better,
- EFILive users will say EFILive works better,
You will have to get demo versions of each and try them out for yourself...
Go to HPT for demo software.
Go here for EFILive software (this is the actual software).
That sounds like a good plan (get a tune from Frost).
Regarding which software would work better:
- HPTuners users will say HPTuners works better,
- EFILive users will say EFILive works better,
You will have to get demo versions of each and try them out for yourself...
Go to HPT for demo software.
Go here for EFILive software (this is the actual software).
03-30-2010, 05:09 PM
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Looks like HPT has a black box to me 
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2924
What does the MPVI Pro interface allow me to do over the Standard Version?
With our Pro interface, you can integrate 0-5v signals from various sensors such as EGT, Wide Band, fuel pressure and others right into our scanner. You will have real time data from those sensors right next to your standard scan tool data such as TPS, RPM, MPH, etc.
Our MPVI Pro interface also has black box data datalogging of up to 1hr 30mins built in. What this means is you are able to scan your vehicle without the use of a laptop using the interfaces record button. You can then take the interface into your home to transfer the log contents from the interface to the computer. If you have an MPVI Pro it will require no hardware modification. Also note that VCM Scanner comes with both interfaces regardless as it is part of our VCM Suite package.
With our Pro interface, you can integrate 0-5v signals from various sensors such as EGT, Wide Band, fuel pressure and others right into our scanner. You will have real time data from those sensors right next to your standard scan tool data such as TPS, RPM, MPH, etc.
Our MPVI Pro interface also has black box data datalogging of up to 1hr 30mins built in. What this means is you are able to scan your vehicle without the use of a laptop using the interfaces record button. You can then take the interface into your home to transfer the log contents from the interface to the computer. If you have an MPVI Pro it will require no hardware modification. Also note that VCM Scanner comes with both interfaces regardless as it is part of our VCM Suite package.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2924
03-30-2010, 08:04 PM
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Really as far as stand alone capability's go it is a joke to even consider arguing a comparison.
03-31-2010, 06:12 AM
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Other than a few digs, this thread is a great first encounter with a side by side comparison of these two tuning suites. I truly hope the moderator is patient and gives some time for this to play out.
What would be confusing to someone that has neither package would be the differences between the versions. Comparing HPT basic version to EFI's V2 isn't apples to apples as was done earlier in the pics. If you put the EFI Live V1 cable along side the HPT hardware you will come away with a different opinion. I own and operate the EFI Live V1 so I'm biased, but I want to know all I can about both versions of HP Tuners and understand why it has the majority of fanfare on this forum. Because I'm most often exposed to the EFI Live gurus I tend to think they are the smartest people on earth.
This is my (and others) first chance to catch an up to date comparo on a level playing field. 
What would be confusing to someone that has neither package would be the differences between the versions. Comparing HPT basic version to EFI's V2 isn't apples to apples as was done earlier in the pics. If you put the EFI Live V1 cable along side the HPT hardware you will come away with a different opinion. I own and operate the EFI Live V1 so I'm biased, but I want to know all I can about both versions of HP Tuners and understand why it has the majority of fanfare on this forum. Because I'm most often exposed to the EFI Live gurus I tend to think they are the smartest people on earth.
This is my (and others) first chance to catch an up to date comparo on a level playing field. Last edited by 01Z28M6; 03-31-2010 at 06:23 AM.
03-31-2010, 09:35 AM
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I have EFIL V2. on the way in the mail right now.
I can flatly tell you why I went the HPTuner's road.... COST. The quality of the calibration, for the most part, will come from the tuner, not the software. To explain my statement...
HPTuner's Pro $650 and comes with enough credits to tune four cars out of the box. 22 more credits ($1100) unlocks GenIII cars. Now, here's the thing... If you don't want to shell out the $1100 + 650 at once, you can buy single-vehicle licenses that carry over at 80% value and will unlock the GenIII group all together.
With EFIL V2 it's $800 and comes with enough licensing to tune two cars out of the box. Their cables is more advanced from the standpoint of stand alone logging but needs a $200 license and $600 Roadrunner to get real time tuning. The HPTuner's cable and software support reals time VE and spark tuning with the stock PCM (all I need RTT for). The VIN licenses for EFILIve carry over at 80% towards unlocking the GenIII group (same as HPT) but only up to HALF of the cost of the stream, which is double the HPT cost for GenIII because they wrapped up trucks in it. That means that even after I charge each customer the extra $100, I will still get to a point where I have to pay about $1300 out to unlock the GenIII group (stream).
When I started, I didn't have the $$ behind that me big shops and guys running off of bank loans have and the layout cost is about double. I tune GenIII cars about 80% of the time. That's what drove my choice.
So why do I have V2 coming myself? I don't like 98s.
I can help them move over to a newer PCM and I can do the segment swap to fix the fuel gauge myself. Yes, as an HPTuner's owner I can send the files to their support to have swapped but they are busy too and my customers are impatient. After the fuel gauge is fixed, the owners then, understandably want the VIN in the PCM to match their 1998 car. I can't do that with HPTuner's even through support. They use and stick to a GM standard and the relationship between VIN and OS can't be broken on their platform. Last edited by Frost; 03-31-2010 at 03:20 PM.
03-31-2010, 10:13 AM
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I have both sitting in the shop and when given the choice, it is EFI Live every time. The only reason we have HP Tuners is to tune the cars not supported by EFI Live.
I personally like EFI Live because of the link from the scan tool and the tune. This is invaluable when you are doing development and figuring out why the values are being used.
I like Steve have requested various tables be opened up with HP tuners with no luck. The fuel trims are one, but another huge one is the Ethanol spark adder table. If you have a flex fuel GM vehicle, there is a table that actually adds or retards spark based on cyl air, not just fuel enrich!!!! And, you will find in this magical table the spark being pulled 3 degrees under cruising conditions!!!!!! Yep, the theory is oxygenated fuels will preignite easier, so, GM pulls timing under cruising.
Anywho, if anyone would like to purchase EFI Live, I am a dealer.
I personally like EFI Live because of the link from the scan tool and the tune. This is invaluable when you are doing development and figuring out why the values are being used.
I like Steve have requested various tables be opened up with HP tuners with no luck. The fuel trims are one, but another huge one is the Ethanol spark adder table. If you have a flex fuel GM vehicle, there is a table that actually adds or retards spark based on cyl air, not just fuel enrich!!!! And, you will find in this magical table the spark being pulled 3 degrees under cruising conditions!!!!!! Yep, the theory is oxygenated fuels will preignite easier, so, GM pulls timing under cruising.
Anywho, if anyone would like to purchase EFI Live, I am a dealer.
03-31-2010, 10:21 AM
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http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28643
oh yah and this:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28498
03-31-2010, 04:47 PM
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So far this thread has provided very good info for both EFI and HPT.
Last edited by MUSTANGBRKR02; 03-31-2010 at 04:57 PM.
03-31-2010, 06:07 PM
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HPT is a generation behind EFI LIVE. The HPT MPVI PRO hold only a few thousand kB of data making it useless for anything other than a couple of drag passes.
03-31-2010, 08:25 PM
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Yes you are right. I was just pointing out that comments like that are when the thread starts to get into bashing and the thread gets locked. I am sorry i do not know everything about cars, but you apparently do so cheers to you.
So far this thread has provided very good info for both EFI and HPT.
So far this thread has provided very good info for both EFI and HPT.
03-31-2010, 11:56 PM
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Bill you can disagree all you like, but the facts are the MPVI PRO doesn't come anywhere close to the V2 as a hardware module. Excusing the massive memory difference. There is also digital comms to make offset errors non existent (lost count how many people have this issue with 5v WB's). Thermocouple inputs (critical for FI and Diesel Tuning). Switch inputs (handy for NOS trigger monitoring). And most useful of all is the LCD screen and keypad. I've used my V2 many times for simple scanning and clearing of DTC's. The audible alarms are a godsend too. If I have a lean condition it screams its head off alerting me to get off the gas before I break an engine. Pulling and very soon Flashing of tunes will be great for Mail Order Tuning and even just convenience when getting a customers car or just flashing in a pre configured small change.
The MPVI PRO does none of these. Hence it is a generation behind.
04-01-2010, 07:29 AM
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Now, that being said, I have and use both HPT and EFIlive. BOTH are good tools. BOTH will accomplish virtually the same end result. As Steve stated regarding the VIN licensing, HPT has a much cheaper route over the long haul. Plus the RTT without the need of a RR.
There are pros and cons to both tools. But, to say HPT doesn't work with people to add tables or parameters, from my experience is just wrong.
04-01-2010, 06:55 PM
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EFILive now has a new feature... As of two days ago EFILive posted firmware for standalone flashing...
I've been trying this on my 2001 Trans Am and it's working great, takes about 23 seconds to do a standalone flash... 
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Standalone support for FlashScan V2 as of March 30, 2010 ECU Description Logging Reading Flashing LS1A LS1 97/98 Yes Yes Yes LS1B LS1 99-08 Yes Yes Yes E40 E40 Yes Yes Yes T42 T42 4/5spd Yes Yes Yes E38 E38 Yes Yes Yes T43 T43 6Spd Yes Yes Yes E67 E67 Yes Yes Yes E37 E37 Yes Yes + E39 E39 Yes Yes + P10 Inline6 Yes Yes Yes V6B V6 Yes Yes + V6C V6 Yes Yes + L31 Vortec Yes Yes + LB7 Duramax Yes Yes Yes LLY Duramax Yes Yes Yes AL5 Allison 5spd Yes Yes + LBZ Duramax Yes Yes + LMM Duramax Yes Yes + AL6 Allison 6spd Yes Yes + A50 Allison 6spd 09+ Yes Yes + CMNB Cummins * * + CMNC Cummins * * + +Coming Soon, under development *Not officially supported yet