p0133 and p0153
p0133 and p0153 Yes, I know,do a search 
I did and there seems to be alot of false info about this. This is the "Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response" p0153 p0133.
This question gets responses like..."a correct tune will correct this"...but when I talk to "proffessional tuners" they say theres nothing that can be done about it. They can tune out the codes but dosent fix the problem.
Another answer I get is "use the corvette o2s with longer extentions because the heater is stronger in them and problem fixed" ( THIS WAS ACTUALY SAID BY A WELL KNOWN TUNER ON THIS BOARD) but others say..."its the same heater element" Well,either way you see it...it dosent seem to matter because I bought the vette o2s and guess what? Yea the codes are back.
A code P0133 or P0153 may mean that one or more of the following has happened
The oxygen sensor is faulty
The wiring to the sensor is broken / frayed
There is an exhaust leak
Ok,I dont have an exhaust leak.
The connections are fine.
So I must have another set of bad o2s after only a couple months? This is rediculous.
I did and there seems to be alot of false info about this. This is the "Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response" p0153 p0133.This question gets responses like..."a correct tune will correct this"...but when I talk to "proffessional tuners" they say theres nothing that can be done about it. They can tune out the codes but dosent fix the problem.
Another answer I get is "use the corvette o2s with longer extentions because the heater is stronger in them and problem fixed" ( THIS WAS ACTUALY SAID BY A WELL KNOWN TUNER ON THIS BOARD) but others say..."its the same heater element" Well,either way you see it...it dosent seem to matter because I bought the vette o2s and guess what? Yea the codes are back.
A code P0133 or P0153 may mean that one or more of the following has happened
The oxygen sensor is faulty
The wiring to the sensor is broken / frayed
There is an exhaust leak
Ok,I dont have an exhaust leak.
The connections are fine.
So I must have another set of bad o2s after only a couple months? This is rediculous.
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a lot of times those codes normally get thrown because of long tube headers...
and yes, the trouble codes can just be disabled in a custom tune... and you're done.
and yes, the trouble codes can just be disabled in a custom tune... and you're done.
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Maybe you are thinking of insufficient switching codes 1133 and 1153. From the OP's comments concerning his search, I think he may be confusing the numbers as well.
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Absolutley not! This is NOT 1133 and 1153 im talking about. After searching and reading I see other people get those mixed up but im well aware of it.
Insufficient Switching is the 1133,1153
Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response is 0153,0133
Insufficient Switching is the 1133,1153
Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response is 0153,0133
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I don't turn them off. In nearly 1,500 cars now I'd know if there was a problem in not disabling them. I hear about EVERY code that a car EVER gets after I tune it; even if it's 2 years later and it's totally unrelated.
Maybe you are thinking of insufficient switching codes 1133 and 1153. From the OP's comments concerning his search, I think he may be confusing the numbers as well.
Maybe you are thinking of insufficient switching codes 1133 and 1153. From the OP's comments concerning his search, I think he may be confusing the numbers as well.
get those codes a lot of times when people use the wiring extensions for the front O2 sensors because of installing headers...
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Does your engine burn an excessive amount of oil? Have you been using any additives in the fuel (leaded fuel , maybe)?? Any smoke out the exhaust? It sounds like your sensors are getting contaminated somehow... I've seen people use silicone-gasket maker on their engine thats not sensor safe and burn the o2's out.
What was the last thing you did before these codes occured?
https://ls1tech.com/forums/general-l...ease-help.html heres the link to my thread.people are telling me that it can be fixed with a retune,what do you think?
So what you are saying is that this code sets after several weeks to a couple of months? Sounds like, to me anyways, that if you had a circuit concern it would flag the code a little sooner.
Does your engine burn an excessive amount of oil? Have you been using any additives in the fuel (leaded fuel , maybe)?? Any smoke out the exhaust? It sounds like your sensors are getting contaminated somehow... I've seen people use silicone-gasket maker on their engine thats not sensor safe and burn the o2's out.
What was the last thing you did before these codes occured?
Does your engine burn an excessive amount of oil? Have you been using any additives in the fuel (leaded fuel , maybe)?? Any smoke out the exhaust? It sounds like your sensors are getting contaminated somehow... I've seen people use silicone-gasket maker on their engine thats not sensor safe and burn the o2's out.
What was the last thing you did before these codes occured?
I didnt just start investigating this yesterday iv been at it for a while
.Theres a couple things I have been wondering and going to try to fix. Example..
1 theres high temp rtv on the header gaskets so pretty soon im going to take it all off and reinstall without rtv.
2 I have used seafoam,mopar cumbustion chamber cleaner,and lucas upper cylinder lube. I dont know of anyone whos ever had trouble with those. I also STOPED using that stuff before the last couple o2s started throwing those codes and iv been through many tanks of gas so idk why how that could be it.
Yes,the codes take a while to set(months or weeks)
Im not burning excesive oil.
I dont appear to have any exhaust leaks. My wiring is fine. First I had the o2 extentions (the good ones not spliced) then I decided to try the vette ones with longer leads. Still ended up with the codes.
Like I said I just got another one a couple weeks ago and its doing good...AT THE MOMENT
Tell me what you think about this...
Half year ago I had the car tuned (THIS WAS BEFORE THE HEADERS,OFF ROAD Y PIPE) so the car hasnt been tuned AFTER those mods. Could it be possible that the car is running so rich that the o2s get these codes?
This all seems rediculous and im pissed that im stuck with this uncommon ****.
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the slow response codes for the front O2's is no big deal - doesn't hinder performance at all... so you can just disable those codes... or, if you really want to keep them enabled, adjust the response/reporting delay... doesn't make a difference either way... they still take the same amount of time to report back to the pcm, no matter which way you do it... changing the response/delay isn't going to make them report back any faster like stock - not when there's extensions being used. the pcm just waits a longer amount of time for a response...
the only fix for the "physical" problem so you don't have to disable the code, is to not use wiring extensions on the front O2's at all... and for a lot of headers, that is not possible...
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1 theres high temp rtv on the header gaskets so pretty soon im going to take it all off and reinstall without rtv.
2 I have used seafoam,mopar cumbustion chamber cleaner,and lucas upper cylinder lube. I dont know of anyone whos ever had trouble with those. I also STOPED using that stuff before the last couple o2s started throwing those codes and iv been through many tanks of gas so idk why how that could be it.
Yes,the codes take a while to set(months or weeks)
Im not burning excesive oil.
I dont appear to have any exhaust leaks. My wiring is fine. First I had the o2 extentions (the good ones not spliced) then I decided to try the vette ones with longer leads. Still ended up with the codes.
Like I said I just got another one a couple weeks ago and its doing good...AT THE MOMENT
Tell me what you think about this...
Half year ago I had the car tuned (THIS WAS BEFORE THE HEADERS,OFF ROAD Y PIPE) so the car hasnt been tuned AFTER those mods. Could it be possible that the car is running so rich that the o2s get these codes?
This all seems rediculous and im pissed that im stuck with this uncommon ****.
2 I have used seafoam,mopar cumbustion chamber cleaner,and lucas upper cylinder lube. I dont know of anyone whos ever had trouble with those. I also STOPED using that stuff before the last couple o2s started throwing those codes and iv been through many tanks of gas so idk why how that could be it.
Yes,the codes take a while to set(months or weeks)
Im not burning excesive oil.
I dont appear to have any exhaust leaks. My wiring is fine. First I had the o2 extentions (the good ones not spliced) then I decided to try the vette ones with longer leads. Still ended up with the codes.
Like I said I just got another one a couple weeks ago and its doing good...AT THE MOMENT
Tell me what you think about this...
Half year ago I had the car tuned (THIS WAS BEFORE THE HEADERS,OFF ROAD Y PIPE) so the car hasnt been tuned AFTER those mods. Could it be possible that the car is running so rich that the o2s get these codes?
This all seems rediculous and im pissed that im stuck with this uncommon ****.
2. I don't see any problem with the additives you have been using..
3. If your car is running rich and can't lean itself down, you would set 2 different codes for system too rich bank 1 and 2 (p0172 & p0175) -- so you can probably rule that situation out.
I would definately check what silicone you used on your headers first, and if its not sensor safe - change it.
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the slow response codes for the front O2's is no big deal - doesn't hinder performance at all...
the only fix for the "physical" problem so you don't have to disable the code, is to not use wiring extensions on the front O2's at all... and for a lot of headers, that is not possible...
Second - thinking outside the box about how the pcm monitors this particular code - there are more reasons for this code than using a longer harness. It has to do with how often the o2 values go from below 300mv to above 600mv within certain conditions. What does that have to do with wiring extensions? Maybe I'm missing something here??
Theres really no way for me to check if its sensor safe at this point. When I reinstall it all there will not be any sealant used at all.
I also used copper permatex around the outside of the joints off the ypipe and a bead around the inside of the band clamps but I dont believe those outside fumes would EVER make it inside the pipes.
I also used copper permatex around the outside of the joints off the ypipe and a bead around the inside of the band clamps but I dont believe those outside fumes would EVER make it inside the pipes.
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so, if there is not an actual problem with the O2 sensor itself, you either change the trouble code setting so that it reports "no error", or you adjust the response/delay time in the tune file - so that the pcm will wait a little longer before checking for a reponse back from the O2 sensors... simple as that... don't see what all the hubbub is about...
(I meant so that it reports "no error" from the beginning of all this, my bad for the wrong choice of words)
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Last edited by 06MonteSS; Sep 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM.
the longer wiring harness makes it take longer for the pcm to receive a response/reply back from the O2 sensors... it doesn't get a response/reply back as quickly as it's looking for one...
so, if there is not an actual problem with the O2 sensor itself, you either change the trouble code setting so that it reports "no error", or you adjust the response/delay time in the tune file - so that the pcm will wait a little longer before checking for a reponse back from the O2 sensors... simple as that... don't see what all the hubbub is about...
(I meant so that it reports "no error" from the beginning of all this, my bad for the wrong choice of words)
so, if there is not an actual problem with the O2 sensor itself, you either change the trouble code setting so that it reports "no error", or you adjust the response/delay time in the tune file - so that the pcm will wait a little longer before checking for a reponse back from the O2 sensors... simple as that... don't see what all the hubbub is about...
(I meant so that it reports "no error" from the beginning of all this, my bad for the wrong choice of words)
If longer o2 sensor wires were the problem then wouldn't there be daily threads on this with this same problem? Seeing as how 90% of the cars here have LT's or have had at one point.