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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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IM building an ls2 d1sc in my 68 camaro.. and ive noticed when prople do forced induction thet get rid of the MAF sensor.. What is the bennifit of this? what should i do on my build. thanks
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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The MAF will get maxed out somewhere around 550rwhp. Depends on your power goals and who is tuning it.
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The MAF will get maxed out somewhere around 550rwhp. Depends on your power goals and who is tuning it.
My power wil be well over.. ls2 forged with dish pistons 3.4 pulley on d1 procharger ... super vic intake and elbow msd.. looks like density tune
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Originally Posted by flame
The MAF will get maxed out somewhere around 550rwhp.
I don't think so
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by firehawk68mcleod
IM building an ls2 d1sc in my 68 camaro.. and ive noticed when prople do forced induction thet get rid of the MAF sensor.. What is the bennifit of this? what should i do on my build. thanks
MAF Systems run a lot better. SD is a cheap way to go and you will loose a lot of the adaptives in the calibration. A GM SD calibration is better than a Carb setup. It is better in most cases than an aftermarket EFI setup.
The MAF system just allows for modeling the airflow and predicting the airflow. If you want better street acceleration and street drivability try to make the MAF work.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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I don't think so
^^ Yup, Mine, stock MAF, 648 RWHP on the pump stuff and 722 RWHP on the fast gas, No problems.......
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:03 AM
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MAF Systems run a lot better. SD is a cheap way to go and you will loose a lot of the adaptives in the calibration. A GM SD calibration is better than a Carb setup. It is better in most cases than an aftermarket EFI setup.
The MAF system just allows for modeling the airflow and predicting the airflow. If you want better street acceleration and street drivability try to make the MAF work.

If they "run a lot better" you may need to brush up on your SD tuning skills. You need a custom OS with a boosted setup to work to the controller's fullest ability. Many people who have run both will flatly tell you that they like the SD better because the engine is more responsive without waiting on a MAF's wire to transition. You get the 'snap' of a well tuned carb setup.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:37 AM
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You need a custom OS.
Who built the so called Custom OS?
How many "Custom OSID's" do you have?
Do you know what car they came in originally or what they were derived from?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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We've offered custom operating systems since 2004...efilive offers them as well. Custom operating systems definitely have their place though
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 09:20 AM
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The MAF is an accurate measuring device. Speed density is an approximation all the way that relies on tables to tell the motor what to do. Which one do you think works better? If speed density is so good why did both GM and Ford in the early years move away from it? GM went MAF to speed density back to MAF. Ford went speed density to MAF. The only reason that GM went SD in the early years was because the MAF's had a high failure rate. Anybody that tells you that SD works better is doing so because they don't want to spend the time to tune the transitional responses of the power adders by the same tolken I cannot believe that one or two iterations on a SD only tune will give you a good tune.
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The MAF is an accurate measuring device. Speed density is an approximation all the way that relies on tables to tell the motor what to do. Which one do you think works better? If speed density is so good why did both GM and Ford in the early years move away from it? GM went MAF to speed density back to MAF. Ford went speed density to MAF. The only reason that GM went SD in the early years was because the MAF's had a high failure rate. Anybody that tells you that SD works better is doing so because they don't want to spend the time to tune the transitional responses of the power adders by the same tolken I cannot believe that one or two iterations on a SD only tune will give you a good tune.
So what you are saying is having holes in your tune where you max the maf out is better than running in Speed density in those cases?

You are also saying that running a 1.6-1.9 power enrichment ratio that looks like the rocky mountains is better then just commanding what you want commanded and adjusting the ve so you get there?

I stand behind my SD has its place comment.
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Why does the MAF have to max out?

If you can build and sell a SD tune you can change the MAF max flow setting.

Did HPT build the SD OS?
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Originally Posted by CalEditor
Why does the MAF have to max out?

If you can build and sell a SD tune you can change the MAF max flow setting.

Did HPT build the SD OS?
The MAF has an upper limit of 512g/sec which is hardcoded in the pcm, much easier to do a 2 bar SD custom operating system then to try and workaround a hardcoded limitation. There have been several discussions regarding this over the years on this forum as well as our own.

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This is a good read https://ls1tech.com/forums/4843901-post7.html as is that entire thread when it comes to maf vs SD tuning, it was made a sticky several years ago since the maf vs SD debate has gone on for years and years.
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by foff667
The MAF has an upper limit of 512g/sec which is hardcoded in the pcm, much easier to do a 2 bar SD custom operating system then to try and workaround a hardcoded limitation. There have been several discussions regarding this over the years on this forum as well as our own.

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You didn't answer this question
Did HPT build the SD OS?
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Yes, as stated we've had them since 04'
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Originally Posted by foff667
Yes, as stated we've had them since 04'
and HPT built it? Are you 100% sure
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would this be good for a boosted car?
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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You can run a SD tune on any of the supported cars. It just removes some of the functions in the calibration. I think it fit a mail order tune better than a mail order MAF tune
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