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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 09:31 PM
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Ok, so I am doing the learn at home tuning from the tuning shool and I have a questions about the OL EQ Ratio.

With the car up to temperature and in closed loop, my LTFT are within 3%.

The problem I am having is that when I start the car when it is cold, the car will be in open loop, I read the max value (16AFR) on my AFX NGK wideband even though I am commanding between 12AFR and up.

Do I just keep adding to the open loop EQ ratio until I see stoich on my wideband when in open loop?
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 09:30 AM
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Mine does the same thing but I don't trust my wideband until it warms up. I assume it is probably reading leaner than actual.

I have thought about keeping the key on for 20 minutes before a cold start to see if it would make a difference but never have because my cold starts are fine and I haven't needed to adjusts.
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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Things like the AIR pump cycle will jack the exhaust
oxygen content. You might need to suppress that if
you want good readings.

But especially on cammed vehicles, you'd be better
off tuning to what-it-likes (using something like MAP
reading as your indicator, and seeking the lowest
MAP / highest vacuum) than tuning to an arbitrary
number, for open loop.
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Things like the AIR pump cycle will jack the exhaust
oxygen content. You might need to suppress that if
you want good readings.

But especially on cammed vehicles, you'd be better
off tuning to what-it-likes (using something like MAP
reading as your indicator, and seeking the lowest
MAP / highest vacuum) than tuning to an arbitrary
number, for open loop.
Hi jimmyblue,
I have deleted the air pump on my car. But I will try to look at my map readings during open loop ( BTW i am speed density tune)
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Originally Posted by Bowtie316
Mine does the same thing but I don't trust my wideband until it warms up. I assume it is probably reading leaner than actual.

I have thought about keeping the key on for 20 minutes before a cold start to see if it would make a difference but never have because my cold starts are fine and I haven't needed to adjusts.
I have try to let my wideband warm up like you say for at least 5 minutes. If you do read from your wideband during a cold start when the car is in open loop, is it like mine, where you are commanding more than what your reading just to get what you want?
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Originally Posted by 1slowbusa
I have try to let my wideband warm up like you say for at least 5 minutes. If you do read from your wideband during a cold start when the car is in open loop, is it like mine, where you are commanding more than what your reading just to get what you want?
Yes, basically, I have not changed my OL EQ ratio because mine starts fine, but when its commanding 1.15 it may actually read closer to 1.0.

I would also consider the fact that you may never get a complete and efficient burn at cold startup, and if you don't get a clean and sufficient burn, there will be oxygen in the exhaust showing a lean condition with the wideband when it is actually not lean.
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Mine does the same thing.
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Thanks everyone, this clears alot of confusion I was having.
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The best open loop table is the stock 2004 truck 5.3.

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Originally Posted by Russ K
The best open loop table is the stock 2004 truck 5.3.

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Thanks Russ, I will give it a try.
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Originally Posted by Russ K
The best open loop table is the stock 2004 truck 5.3.

Russ Kemp

does this apply to say a 99 ls1 with headers and cai? i see that the table looks much better in terms of smoothness and uniformity than my 99 stock one. is this your reasoning behind this statement? not doubting you at all, just in my nature to know why.
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I've a toggle switch to my NGK AFX for un switched power so I can watch the WB while doing cold starts. Cold start like mid to hi 13's. As Jiimmyblue mentioned this is what the motor likes, I've a wee bit of a cam.

Then you can watch each temp column & add or take away fuel, remember the column's blend from one to the next. I learned that the commanded while warming up will never match my WB, so I adjust that table for warm up's based on the WB readings.
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Mine matches pretty close, at least from a 70F cold start. But then some guy named CTD set it up. I also have a toggle to turn the WB on before start.
I have a girly man cam.
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
Mine matches pretty close, at least from a 70F cold start. But then some guy named CTD set it up. I also have a toggle to turn the WB on before start.
I have a girly man cam.
As you know, Ron.....it's not the size of the stick, but how well it is used that makes all the difference.

BTW....you get that beast back on the road yet?
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
Mine matches pretty close, at least from a 70F cold start. But then some guy named CTD set it up. I also have a toggle to turn the WB on before start.
I have a girly man cam.
Yeah & girly temps as well, take a trip north for some girly man start up stuff Toque?
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