My review of my TERRIBLE experience with Livernois Motorsports
07-21-2017, 09:27 PM
#81
a 'tune' is often very personal. Useless to many. I would never lock one for a variety of reasons-
Keep in mind, a good 'tuner' is often a good programmer, computer tech, mechanic, etc... If the 'tuner' cannot answer questions about the engine/setup, such as oil quality and containment, fuel octane threshold, crank trigger, injector phase, this is main stream info all 'tuners' should know.
Second, lets say you get somebody like that, good with computers, programming, engines, etc... Then it would should also be easy for them to put numbers/config into a tune that looks 'incorrect' in order to hide the real data. For example we can re-scale the map sensor so 10psi is actually 5psi. So anyone looking at the tune would see 5psi worth of timing numbers in the 10psi region. If they copy it without understanding it... then it becomes their problem, shouldn't just copy info without knowing what it does or means. And if they understand it, it should become obvious that something is wrong, or scaled funny, etc... impossible to divulge without extensive analysis.
In other words, good tuners, good with engines/computers, with proprietary information often have ways to hide that info without locking the tune.
Keep in mind, a good 'tuner' is often a good programmer, computer tech, mechanic, etc... If the 'tuner' cannot answer questions about the engine/setup, such as oil quality and containment, fuel octane threshold, crank trigger, injector phase, this is main stream info all 'tuners' should know.
Second, lets say you get somebody like that, good with computers, programming, engines, etc... Then it would should also be easy for them to put numbers/config into a tune that looks 'incorrect' in order to hide the real data. For example we can re-scale the map sensor so 10psi is actually 5psi. So anyone looking at the tune would see 5psi worth of timing numbers in the 10psi region. If they copy it without understanding it... then it becomes their problem, shouldn't just copy info without knowing what it does or means. And if they understand it, it should become obvious that something is wrong, or scaled funny, etc... impossible to divulge without extensive analysis.
In other words, good tuners, good with engines/computers, with proprietary information often have ways to hide that info without locking the tune.
07-21-2017, 09:37 PM
#82
TECH Senior Member
07-21-2017, 11:43 PM
#85
TECH Senior Member
07-22-2017, 07:23 AM
#86
******* OTHER TUNERS STEAL YOUR TUNES AND USE THEM FOR PROFIT.
I mean how are you not seeing understanding this?
In one sentence you say if the tune is good he won't go somewhere else there is no tune to be stole.....yeah there is...the good ******* tune that's in the car.
Or do you think the only time people rip tunes from cars is when they take them somewhere else to be tuned?
Is your argument that if the tune is good, the person won't have a reason to go to another tuner and because of that, the tuner won't have the opportunity to copy the tune?
I mean how are you not seeing understanding this?
In one sentence you say if the tune is good he won't go somewhere else there is no tune to be stole.....yeah there is...the good ******* tune that's in the car.
Or do you think the only time people rip tunes from cars is when they take them somewhere else to be tuned?
Is your argument that if the tune is good, the person won't have a reason to go to another tuner and because of that, the tuner won't have the opportunity to copy the tune?
07-22-2017, 07:58 AM
#87
Look at it from the tuners side. Let's say you are really good at tuning Fords and have figured **** out that no one else has and you make money off that.
Would you want anyone to be able to copy your work/tune and go out and make money off the work and R&D you did?
Yes I can understand from a consumers point of view but you have to look at the other side too.
Would you want anyone to be able to copy your work/tune and go out and make money off the work and R&D you did?
Yes I can understand from a consumers point of view but you have to look at the other side too.
The simple truth is there are plenty of top notch tuners that don't lock their customers PCM's, these are the folks people should be going to.
If you have such an amazing tune, why would anyone need to go back into it? It's generally accepted that tuners that lock, do so to hide their shortcuts and shoddy work.
ANY TUNER THAT BRICKS A CUSTOMERS PCM IS NOT WORTHY OF ANYONES BUSINESS.
07-24-2017, 11:24 AM
#89
******* OTHER TUNERS STEAL YOUR TUNES AND USE THEM FOR PROFIT.
I mean how are you not seeing understanding this?
In one sentence you say if the tune is good he won't go somewhere else there is no tune to be stole.....yeah there is...the good ******* tune that's in the car.
Or do you think the only time people rip tunes from cars is when they take them somewhere else to be tuned?
Is your argument that if the tune is good, the person won't have a reason to go to another tuner and because of that, the tuner won't have the opportunity to copy the tune?
I mean how are you not seeing understanding this?
In one sentence you say if the tune is good he won't go somewhere else there is no tune to be stole.....yeah there is...the good ******* tune that's in the car.
Or do you think the only time people rip tunes from cars is when they take them somewhere else to be tuned?
Is your argument that if the tune is good, the person won't have a reason to go to another tuner and because of that, the tuner won't have the opportunity to copy the tune?
07-24-2017, 12:47 PM
#90
You're confused. Where did I ever say my forged motor failed? It's got almost 10k on it and is running perfectly fine. Engine builder did an excellent job and has no fault in this...... Also I said in a previous post my plans on going to another tuner and why it took so long if you paid attention. This thread is to document my experience with this tuner to give other Fellow LS owners a heads up on how they do business. If you don't like it and it bothers you as much as it obviously does, feel free to close out of this thread and look at something else. Btw cute meme, that was very creative of you 
Regardless, my meme is spot on. I understand that you are documenting your experience and it's appreciated. The fact that you are still going back to them and still complaining is mind boggling. That's my point.
And thanks.
Not often that I or anything I do is referred to as cute these days. 
07-24-2017, 09:14 PM
#93
TECH Senior Member
07-25-2017, 09:46 PM
#97
TECH Senior Member
07-26-2017, 11:40 AM
#100
TECH Addict
******* OTHER TUNERS STEAL YOUR TUNES AND USE THEM FOR PROFIT.
I mean how are you not seeing understanding this?
In one sentence you say if the tune is good he won't go somewhere else there is no tune to be stole.....yeah there is...the good ******* tune that's in the car.
Or do you think the only time people rip tunes from cars is when they take them somewhere else to be tuned?
Is your argument that if the tune is good, the person won't have a reason to go to another tuner and because of that, the tuner won't have the opportunity to copy the tune?
I mean how are you not seeing understanding this?
In one sentence you say if the tune is good he won't go somewhere else there is no tune to be stole.....yeah there is...the good ******* tune that's in the car.
Or do you think the only time people rip tunes from cars is when they take them somewhere else to be tuned?
Is your argument that if the tune is good, the person won't have a reason to go to another tuner and because of that, the tuner won't have the opportunity to copy the tune?