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Old Sep 14, 2017 | 09:55 AM
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Default SD Tune AFR stability at WOT?

Tuning a turbo LQ4, running a 11.1 (.76) AFR at WOT. When going WOT, it jumps around from .74 to .76 - it seems very hard to get it to be dead set at .76 the entire time the throttle is wide open when tuning the VE table. Also, when converting the .74 and .76 to AFR.. we are talking about a sweep from 10.83 AFR to 11.23 AFR (all because lambda is shown in two decimal points, so it rounds up/down). Just seems like lambda isn't a good thing to go by since it only goes by 2 decimal points. Maybe I need to increase my lambda error decimal points out to .xxxxx instead of .xx ?

The turbo truck I had before, which was tuned by a shop - had a 11.1 AFR at WOT and it was dead set on 11.1, didn't move around at all on my wideband gauge. I believe that tune was MAF though

Is it normal for an SD tune to not be 100% on the money as far as VE table is concerned?

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Old Sep 14, 2017 | 10:17 AM
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Havent tuned my turbo setup but my NA SD tune was dead nuts on my target(tuned by me and im no professional). I read AFR though.
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Old Sep 14, 2017 | 10:31 AM
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Havent tuned my turbo setup but my NA SD tune was dead nuts on my target(tuned by me and im no professional). I read AFR though.
and using AFR seems like it would be way harder to hit your target - did you street tune it? or run it on a dyno?
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Old Sep 14, 2017 | 10:45 AM
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I don't know many people that tune via lambda unless they are using fuels other than gas or a blend.

AFR has more resolution than lambda, and will therefore be more accurate.
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and using AFR seems like it would be way harder to hit your target - did you street tune it? or run it on a dyno?
Always street tune. I use the predefined AFR correction table for VE (and MAF if applicable). I do multiply by percentage then once i get to 7 or below percent correction I multiply by half percentage. Goal is to be around 2% error. Go back and hand smooth once youve reach all the table you can. Done. AFR will be perfect.
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Don't all tunes (unless specifically MAF only) disable the MAF reading and only use SD after a certain RPM? So in theory, all tunes are "SD only" when going WOT.
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Originally Posted by redtan
Don't all tunes (unless specifically MAF only) disable the MAF reading and only use SD after a certain RPM? So in theory, all tunes are "SD only" when going WOT.
Depends on which PCM. The 411 in fbody uses MAF only above 4k.
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Old Sep 14, 2017 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
Havent tuned my turbo setup but my NA SD tune was dead nuts on my target(tuned by me and im no professional). I read AFR though.
Wait what?!?! Turbo build!! Man you ran good before now you're getting serious.


Sorry to hijack this but there are a few of you on here I follow and wow I've been away too long lol.
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Wait what?!?! Turbo build!! Man you ran good before now you're getting serious.


Sorry to hijack this but there are a few of you on here I follow and wow I've been away too long lol.
Start at page 17/18 of my thread in the multi media section, its usually right at the top. Turbo build starts there, whew its been a long journey!!!!
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Thats pretty rich. All widebands use lambda and display AFR. They are just scales, once is not more accurate than the other. In SD your fuel should equal your commanded and it should look like a flat or single line when overlaying them on the data log or very close to it. You may have to hand smooth your VE table, run filters, get better or more data, or multiply by a smaller % but your fueling shouldnt be all over the place.
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Originally Posted by redtan
Don't all tunes (unless specifically MAF only) disable the MAF reading and only use SD after a certain RPM? So in theory, all tunes are "SD only" when going WOT.
Other way around....all stock fbody tunes ignore the map above 4k as stated. MAF is better at steady states and WOT is one of them.

OP if you're AFR is moving around like that then either the boost or the fuel pressure is likely moving around too. Like trying to hit a moving Target. Is your fuel pressure regulator boost referenced?
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Other way around....all stock fbody tunes ignore the map above 4k as stated. MAF is better at steady states and WOT is one of them.

OP if you're AFR is moving around like that then either the boost or the fuel pressure is likely moving around too. Like trying to hit a moving Target. Is your fuel pressure regulator boost referenced?
regulator is boost referenced. I'm guessing I'm just not getting enough data at WOT to really dial it in.. I'm finding it hard to tune this thing on the street, not much area I can go WOT with it for more than a couple seconds
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Originally Posted by TXjeepTJ
regulator is boost referenced. I'm guessing I'm just not getting enough data at WOT to really dial it in.. I'm finding it hard to tune this thing on the street, not much area I can go WOT with it for more than a couple seconds
Whats your logging channel count? If you go over like 24 channels it will slow the data rate which will also make your AFR jumpy.
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