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How much power should I be making with this setup? Cammed LS3 4th Gen

Old Jul 18, 2020 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
you do it your way and I do it mine. Neither are wrong
sounds familiar
Originally Posted by ddnspider
Different strokes for different folks. It's definitely easier to torque the heads when the motor isn't in the car. It's also easier to do a head swap in the car if you don't have a lift or the tools to take the whole front cradle out.
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Old Jul 18, 2020 | 10:38 AM
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Coolant actually flowed pretty well per the shop.. It did bubble for a second at start but afterward it stopped...they're going to try to remove the baffles behind the bumper to try to get it some more air flow. Hopefully that will help.
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Old Jul 18, 2020 | 02:07 PM
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FWIW, hot condenser is normal. That is why they put it out front. To get the most airflow or AC does not work too good
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 11:59 AM
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So the thermostat was replaced again (I believe with a Delco unit, my previous 2 units were Duralast units)

Also replaced the Airdam

Its now running at 220 / 225 and it doesn't seem to go higher - but its also been cooler outside, been in the low 90's most of the week..Although I think I do remember it overheating even in the low 90's in the past.. ..they're going to reconnect the heater core and rebleed it Monday and try again ..

If it doesn't go over 225 / 230 - do you think there is still cause for concern?

What Im thinking of doing is picking it up next week, testing it for a bit, see if it holds out, if it does then I leave it at that. If it doesn't then replace the head gaskets.
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 12:12 PM
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Yes there is cause for concern, my LS2 cam heads and 11.5-1 CR , 180 Tstat on a 100 degree day 85mph runs 173 degrees DeWitts rad with eoc
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cmysix
Yes there is cause for concern, my LS2 cam heads and 11.5-1 CR , 180 Tstat on a 100 degree day 85mph runs 173 degrees DeWitts rad with eoc
Im using a LT1 style radiator but I dont think my radiator is clogged or anything. I was using an all aluminum radiator prior which I 'thought' was causing the problem but turned out it wasnt.. ..think I should switch to DeWitts?

I'm really believing it has something to do with the headgaskets at this point.
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 09:56 PM
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I'd say just drive it. When my car was stock coolant temps sat at 230-235 with oil temps the same
more important is what your oil temps are. Try log oil temps , if there under 230 you hv no problems
so unless your losing coolant somewhere and coolant temps stay under 240 , drive it.
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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Need4Camaro
I only managed to put down right at 400 HP to the wheels during a dyno tune. This was a LS1 to LS3 motor swap into a 1999 4th Gen F-Body.
  • Freshly rebuilt LS3
  • BTR Stage 2 Cam & supporting valvetrain (Specs: 225/238 .612"/.585" 113+3)
  • Yank 3600 Stall
  • Built 4L60E
  • Stock LS3 Heads
  • Stock LS3 Injectors
  • Speed Engineering Headers, Hi Flo Cats, Speed Engineering True Duals

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  • Stock F-Body Fuel Pump
  • Stock F-Body MAF
  • 76mm FTP LID

The shop felt my stock fuel pump (aprox 4 years old as is not the original factory pump but a replacement) was good enough to handle 500 whp so they recommended against installing my Racetronix unit. The shop was also unable to use the 100mm MAF I provided them because they needed a conversion harness and of course without the MAF, my 98 MM lid was also not installed.

During the tune we monitored fuel pressure, it remained between 61 and 62 PSI. The injector duty cycle was 'okay' per the tuner. He stated that it was running too lean at the top end and he was afraid of pushing it further.

It drives decent but my 6th Gen still feels faster and that kind of disappoints me given how much I invested in the swap. I was certain a cammed LS3 would put me close to the 500 WHP range
With similar mods mine made 441 rwhp.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BODUKE
With similar mods mine made 441 rwhp.
I guess the LSx gods hate me or something. Even with the right fuel pump, no more running lean, 100mm MAF and LID I'm only putting down 413 at the wheels. Did you have head work?

I'm really beginning to wonder if I do have a bad head gasket hence my overheating issues. I'm not sure what to attack next. Is there any other way the AC can cause it to overheat besides being overcharged?
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 08:35 AM
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If the compressor itself is dragging is the only other thing I can think of
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Need4Camaro
I guess the LSx gods hate me or something. Even with the right fuel pump, no more running lean, 100mm MAF and LID I'm only putting down 413 at the wheels. Did you have head work?

I'm really beginning to wonder if I do have a bad head gasket hence my overheating issues. I'm not sure what to attack next. Is there any other way the AC can cause it to overheat besides being overcharged?
im swapping my ls3 ported heads for ls7 heads . Will have for sale soon set up with springs for llsr and with yella terra adjustable rocker arms. And a set of lifters for a solid roller. Just add the right cam and you will be making power and fresh head gaskets to go with it 😁
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 04:33 PM
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Don't think you have a bad HG, I think you installed one or both backwards
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 06:05 PM
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What kind of head gaskets are they? With Cometics, I think there's a way to find out if they're on backwards by seeing which side of the rivets are pointing up.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
im swapping my ls3 ported heads for ls7 heads . Will have for sale soon set up with springs for llsr and with yella terra adjustable rocker arms. And a set of lifters for a solid roller. Just add the right cam and you will be making power and fresh head gaskets to go with it 😁
Just curious, how much?

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What kind of head gaskets are they? With Cometics, I think there's a way to find out if they're on backwards by seeing which side of the rivets are pointing up.
Not sure what kind but they don’t appear to be Delco’s. This was a long block reman when I got it. Ima see what the builder says tomorrow.

To add insult to injury now both of my Camaro’s are down and I’m driving a loaner Trax. My 17 SS fell prey to the infamous TC shudder and they want to replace the torque converter and I am literally 1k miles outside of warranty. FML.
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Old Jul 28, 2020 | 01:39 AM
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My new build has an lt1 rad, ls2 pump and stock 98 fans and here it is 110 degrees. Seems to run fine on the freeway with ac on but climbs to 230 on the street, at which point I shut the ac off. Might only need to upgrade the fans but I'm not sure yet, It's hot outside. And humid which is worse.

And you have to monitor with an obd scanner. The gauges are wrong. My 98 gauge reads 20 degrees low.

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Old Aug 2, 2020 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
My new build has an lt1 rad, ls2 pump and stock 98 fans and here it is 110 degrees. Seems to run fine on the freeway with ac on but climbs to 230 on the street, at which point I shut the ac off. Might only need to upgrade the fans but I'm not sure yet, It's hot outside. And humid which is worse.

And you have to monitor with an obd scanner. The gauges are wrong. My 98 gauge reads 20 degrees low.
What does yours read on the freeway?
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Old Aug 2, 2020 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Need4Camaro
What does yours read on the freeway?
Guage on the car reads slightly over 210. OBD reads 220-225.
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Old Aug 3, 2020 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
Guage on the car reads slightly over 210. OBD reads 220-225.
Is that with the A/C on or off?

Mine with the AC on is climbing over 230 according to the OBD
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Old Aug 8, 2020 | 12:56 AM
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Just wondering, does anyone think this could be being caused by bad catalytic converters? They're pretty much new, less than 2k miles, but if they just so happened to have clogged, could this explain why its overheating and only on the highway? Is there any way to test to see if the catalytic converter is bad? Will a heat gun give you any indication if its overheating? If so, how hot?

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Old Aug 8, 2020 | 07:22 AM
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Yes plugged cats will cause temp issues. Usually an exhaust shop can pressure test them. But if after a drive it is a furnace under the car that is usually an indicator
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