MAFLESS VE Tuning
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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
ve table from the editor both primary and secondary
Also, check out the HP Tuner forum. Somebody finally posted a Holden MAF table for us. It looks similar to what I was expecting. Might be worth a shot with a lid. I will try it in a day or so...too tired to put it in tomorrow morning's tune.
Originally Posted by Another_User
Secondary only for the actual tune. Then I paste the rows to the primary, and between rows I divide the two numbers and insert the difference. It's the best we can do until we can use the primary table with the MAF unplugged.
Also, check out the HP Tuner forum. Somebody finally posted a Holden MAF table for us. It looks similar to what I was expecting. Might be worth a shot with a lid. I will try it in a day or so...too tired to put it in tomorrow morning's tune.
Also, check out the HP Tuner forum. Somebody finally posted a Holden MAF table for us. It looks similar to what I was expecting. Might be worth a shot with a lid. I will try it in a day or so...too tired to put it in tomorrow morning's tune.
I actually do it backwards I modify the primary (even though I know it isnt looked at and the scanner is setup for the primary) and then copy to the secondary. My trims are comming around also. I did some logging last night and some tunning i will get a better feel for how well i am tonight. I may copy and paste those maf tables tonight jsut to see if i am able to plug it back up. Will post later to let you all know how it went
On cars with both tables the primary is used for sanity checking. If the MAF fail then the secondary is used. In later model years the primary table (only one) is used for both.
Could one of you two tell me which VE tables (specifically) you're tuning with, and why? I'd like to have a pretty good handle on what needs to be done when we get the free time to do this. 
Okay, got the why from the other posts... The tables you're modifying are VE vs. ??
Okay, got the why from the other posts... The tables you're modifying are VE vs. ??
Both Another_user and I are using the secondary ve table (98-00). Keep in mind after 00 they may have gotten rid of it in which case you will tune the primary table.
If you have HPTuners and you see two ve tables when you disconnect the MAF the PCM will use the second table
If you see one table when you disconnect the MAF it will use the primary
There are two VE (Volumetric Effieciency tables) Primary and secondary
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE ARE YOU TO DISCONNECT THE MAF IF YOU ARE RUNNING AN AUTO
If you have HPTuners and you see two ve tables when you disconnect the MAF the PCM will use the second table
If you see one table when you disconnect the MAF it will use the primary
There are two VE (Volumetric Effieciency tables) Primary and secondary
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE ARE YOU TO DISCONNECT THE MAF IF YOU ARE RUNNING AN AUTO
I don't see a secondary table and I have an automatic
so I guess I'll just keep on spectatin'. Being as I also
have not seen nearly the trouble you guys are having,
and seen VE adjusts push properly on my low-end trims.
There's something really screwy about all this. Like we
all live in different worlds. Maybe it's the early / late
model thing.
so I guess I'll just keep on spectatin'. Being as I also
have not seen nearly the trouble you guys are having,
and seen VE adjusts push properly on my low-end trims.
There's something really screwy about all this. Like we
all live in different worlds. Maybe it's the early / late
model thing.
Originally Posted by nitrousfed
ive never heard that before.. why so? me and smokin both have 98 autos
The pcm uses your MAF sensor to apply tranny line pressure. with it disconnected you will command full pressure to the tranny at all times and burn out the pump. Another_user and I are stick cars so we can get away with it
Originally Posted by jimmyblue
I don't see a secondary table and I have an automatic
so I guess I'll just keep on spectatin'. Being as I also
have not seen nearly the trouble you guys are having,
and seen VE adjusts push properly on my low-end trims.
There's something really screwy about all this. Like we
all live in different worlds. Maybe it's the early / late
model thing.
so I guess I'll just keep on spectatin'. Being as I also
have not seen nearly the trouble you guys are having,
and seen VE adjusts push properly on my low-end trims.
There's something really screwy about all this. Like we
all live in different worlds. Maybe it's the early / late
model thing.
You have an 01-02 by that time they did away with the secondary table. We both have decent sized cams with a good bit of overlap and that may be the reason why it seems we live in different worlds
Originally Posted by HumpinSS
The pcm uses your MAF sensor to apply tranny line pressure. with it disconnected you will command full pressure to the tranny at all times and burn out the pump. Another_user and I are stick cars so we can get away with it
Originally Posted by HumpinSS
The pcm uses your MAF sensor to apply tranny line pressure. with it disconnected you will command full pressure to the tranny at all times and burn out the pump. Another_user and I are stick cars so we can get away with it
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Well, I don't think I am going to get any closer with only a secondary table to tune with. Here is the VE table I am using for anybody that wants to take a look at it. It is for a vehicle with the mods you see below. Use at your own risk.
The edges may need to be cleaned up a little, there are a few cells I couldn't get to, like some of the 400 rpms. FYI, I started with a 2002 Z06 VE table to build this.
The edges may need to be cleaned up a little, there are a few cells I couldn't get to, like some of the 400 rpms. FYI, I started with a 2002 Z06 VE table to build this.