EFIlive or HP Tuner
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From: Lake Zurich, IL
Originally Posted by JNorris
Does HPT have a demo that can be downloaded?
I know that the help file is downloadable though and it goes over all the screenshots
TECH Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2001
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From: South Elgin, IL
I never said EFILive doesn't have their own board. I was commenting on how active and helpful HPT owners and fellow users are.
After downloading the demo, I don't see how it really differes to the help file and screen shots that HPT offers. HPT's screen shots speak for themselves and I honestly don't see the advantage of installing and running a copy of HPT as a demo just to see what you see in the screen shots. I will say Flashscan scanner had more "show" than HPT but they both can scan the PID's I need.
I have nothing against EFILive but HPT was the only one who had their product out when I was looking for a replacement for LS1 Edit. The amount of dedication I've seen from them since has astounded me and makes me a dedicated HPT fan. They're also innovators in the field.
About the only thing that I would say I wish HPT had is the black box logging but I put that as a very minor request since I have no trouble using a laptop in the passenger seat when I drive around. Since I like to see real-time data, I doubt I would even use the black box logger much at all.
After downloading the demo, I don't see how it really differes to the help file and screen shots that HPT offers. HPT's screen shots speak for themselves and I honestly don't see the advantage of installing and running a copy of HPT as a demo just to see what you see in the screen shots. I will say Flashscan scanner had more "show" than HPT but they both can scan the PID's I need.
I have nothing against EFILive but HPT was the only one who had their product out when I was looking for a replacement for LS1 Edit. The amount of dedication I've seen from them since has astounded me and makes me a dedicated HPT fan. They're also innovators in the field.
About the only thing that I would say I wish HPT had is the black box logging but I put that as a very minor request since I have no trouble using a laptop in the passenger seat when I drive around. Since I like to see real-time data, I doubt I would even use the black box logger much at all.
-HPT – Serial interface
-Flashscan - USB interface
That would mean that Flashscan is way faster right? Since it uses USB.
Is there andvantage to that?
This is getting harder and harder to decide between the two.
-Flashscan - USB interface
That would mean that Flashscan is way faster right? Since it uses USB.
Is there andvantage to that?
This is getting harder and harder to decide between the two.
Well the:-HPT – Serial interface/-Flashscan - USB interface
Basically just made up my mind for me.My Laptop is a brand new Dell Inspiron 1150 and looking at it there is no serial port on it.So unless there is a way around that I may have to get the Flashscan.
Basically just made up my mind for me.My Laptop is a brand new Dell Inspiron 1150 and looking at it there is no serial port on it.So unless there is a way around that I may have to get the Flashscan.
FormerVendor
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: Melbourne, Australia
USB serial adapter can be used, our next cable coming with v2.0 will be USB.
USB offers no speed advantage for current PCM technology, the fastest the PCM can send is below the serial port speed.
Hope that helps,
Chris...
USB offers no speed advantage for current PCM technology, the fastest the PCM can send is below the serial port speed.
Hope that helps,
Chris...
FormerVendor
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From: Melbourne, Australia
we hope to begin beta testing very soon, until the beta testing is underway it's a bit hard to give a definite timeframe. We are aiming for around a month of beta, all going well.
Chris...
Chris...
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Teching In
Joined: May 2004
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From: LI, NY
I was ready to purchase HPT software as well but I just finished reading the article in GMHTP,now I'm up in the air. Does HPT have that undo/redo function and does it have the safety of not damaging the PCM if the computer freezes up or loses power during a reflash? That seems like a pretty valuable feature.
Yes, the "safe writing" has been there from v1.0 (and I
managed to put it to the test by trying to run the program
on a 100MHz, 16MB RAM Toshiba). No worries. Though I
was a bit flustered when I hung the PCM, they got back
to me right away, told me how to pull the fuses to reset,
and everything was fine. I think I've programmed my car
at least 40 times now, with no incident (bought a somewhat
faster computer).
I'm not sure about "undo" but all of the table editing screens
let you reload the original table if you make a boo-boo. It may
be there but I have never looked for it. With any of these
tuner programs you should form a habit of saving each tune
version as you go forward, so as to have a recovery path
if things start to head for the ditch.
The big deal for me with EFILive was the licensing, I found
their scheme too limiting for my interests (I want to be able
to tune as many cars as I please but am only interested in
a few models - F-bodies, 'vettes and some trucks. The total
number of licensed PCMs EFILive will allow you to have is 10.
Unless they've adopted a more sensible posture, which I
wouldn't know because once I had my discussion with them
about that, I kind of lost interest and wandered off. But for
a guy who is only going to tune his own, or a car club with
a mix of GM vehicles/years, the EFILive license model might
suit you as well or better. It's more limited in some senses
but more flexible in others.
I'm about 99% satisfied with my HPTuners and I make sure
they know about the 1%. Which has been getting pruned
back, as they add features. I'm a happy camper.
managed to put it to the test by trying to run the program
on a 100MHz, 16MB RAM Toshiba). No worries. Though I
was a bit flustered when I hung the PCM, they got back
to me right away, told me how to pull the fuses to reset,
and everything was fine. I think I've programmed my car
at least 40 times now, with no incident (bought a somewhat
faster computer).
I'm not sure about "undo" but all of the table editing screens
let you reload the original table if you make a boo-boo. It may
be there but I have never looked for it. With any of these
tuner programs you should form a habit of saving each tune
version as you go forward, so as to have a recovery path
if things start to head for the ditch.
The big deal for me with EFILive was the licensing, I found
their scheme too limiting for my interests (I want to be able
to tune as many cars as I please but am only interested in
a few models - F-bodies, 'vettes and some trucks. The total
number of licensed PCMs EFILive will allow you to have is 10.
Unless they've adopted a more sensible posture, which I
wouldn't know because once I had my discussion with them
about that, I kind of lost interest and wandered off. But for
a guy who is only going to tune his own, or a car club with
a mix of GM vehicles/years, the EFILive license model might
suit you as well or better. It's more limited in some senses
but more flexible in others.
I'm about 99% satisfied with my HPTuners and I make sure
they know about the 1%. Which has been getting pruned
back, as they add features. I'm a happy camper.
FormerVendor
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 525
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Yes we have had recovery capability in our software since the very first release (a big first for the industry at that time), in conjunction our flashing process is very robust and works thru all known noisy bus applications such as those vehicles with OnStar etc. We also have a very comprehensive compare and tune note-keeping capability coming in v2.0.
In our last release (v1.6) we added over 200 parameters to the LS1 editor (making over 500 parameters and tables, by our counting scheme). We added a lot especially in the area of idle tuning. In conjunction with that we also released many idle PIDs for the scanner to assist tuning idle and idle transition issues, which is probably the number one issue most people have trouble with when tuning for a cam swap etc.
We also have DIY 2bar capabilities in our software if you are looking at forced induction tuning.
I think most will attest we have an excellent track record of not only innovation but also listening to our customers and implementing things that improve our product, make the job easier and keep our product at the forefront.
Cheers,
Chris...
In our last release (v1.6) we added over 200 parameters to the LS1 editor (making over 500 parameters and tables, by our counting scheme). We added a lot especially in the area of idle tuning. In conjunction with that we also released many idle PIDs for the scanner to assist tuning idle and idle transition issues, which is probably the number one issue most people have trouble with when tuning for a cam swap etc.
We also have DIY 2bar capabilities in our software if you are looking at forced induction tuning.
I think most will attest we have an excellent track record of not only innovation but also listening to our customers and implementing things that improve our product, make the job easier and keep our product at the forefront.
Cheers,
Chris...
Originally Posted by Gen3Benz
Does HPT have "black box" data logging?
Flashscan does and its bad ***.
Flashscan does and its bad ***.
Originally Posted by jimmyblue
The total number of licensed PCMs EFILive will allow you to have is 10.
Maybe this was the introductory limit, im not sure.
FormerVendor
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Originally Posted by Gen3Benz
Does HPT have "black box" data logging?
Flashscan does and its bad ***.
Flashscan does and its bad ***.
No, but we do have two controllable outputs on our EIO interface that will light lights or turn on relays from values you pick in the scanner.
An example would be wide band AFR out of range or excessive engine knock.
Seeing as you can pick any value, the possibilities are endless as to what you can have the scanner and EIO control.
Ken
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Originally Posted by Super Sport X2
No, but we do have two controllable outputs on our EIO interface that will light lights or turn on relays from values you pick in the scanner.
An example would be wide band AFR out of range or excessive engine knock.
Seeing as you can pick any value, the possibilities are endless as to what you can have the scanner and EIO control.
Ken
An example would be wide band AFR out of range or excessive engine knock.
Seeing as you can pick any value, the possibilities are endless as to what you can have the scanner and EIO control.
Ken
FormerVendor
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Dont you need the the laptop hooked up for that ?
Of course.
This is a tuning aid, not a stand alone vehicle addition.
If it were to be a stand alone controller, what good would that be? You still need to go find your laptop to make the needed calibration changes.
Finding out problems after the fact and not being able to do anything about it
is kind of worthless.
Ken
Originally Posted by Super Sport X2
Of course.
This is a tuning aid, not a stand alone vehicle addition.
If it were to be a stand alone controller, what good would that be? You still need to go find your laptop to make the needed calibration changes.
Finding out problems after the fact and not being able to do anything about it
is kind of worthless.
Ken
This is a tuning aid, not a stand alone vehicle addition.
If it were to be a stand alone controller, what good would that be? You still need to go find your laptop to make the needed calibration changes.
Finding out problems after the fact and not being able to do anything about it
is kind of worthless.
Ken