What's involved ($$) with switching from Atap to EFI Live? Can you just upgrade to the new cable and then download the EFI Live software?

 

You need to purchase the new interface cable from Autotap, then purchase the software as you require a license number to keep the software logging after 5 seconds.
Once you purchase the EFILiveV5 software you have to put in the license number to activate the software fully.
Also once you have it up and run you might want to vistor the Starr performance web site for update.
Updates software

Also you can visitor the EFILiveV5 Forum at EFILIVEV5 FORUM

 

Almost right Andrew <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

You do not have to purchase a new cable if you do not want to. However if you use EFILiveV5 with the AutoTap AT1 V1 or AT123 V1 cable you will not be able to access the bi-directional controls. You will still get high speed data logging even using your old V1 cable.

Product numbers referenced on this page:
http://www.autotap.com/autotap_gm_products.html

To just license EFILiveV5 Standard (i.e. with no bi-directional controls) for use with your existing AT1 V1 or AT123 V1 cable you would need product number:
ATEFISTD - for the Standard software $144.95

OR

To upgrade your V1 cable to a V2 cable and then purchase just the EFILiveV5 Pro software you would need product numbers:
ATEFIPRO - for the software $194.95
Contact B&B for the cable upgrade price (around $75 I think)

OR

To purchase a new V2 cable and EFILiveV5 Pro (with bi-directional controls) you would need product number:
KAT1EFIPRO - for V2 hardware and Pro software $354.95

Regards
Paul

 

What about the bottom one listed,

EVILiveV5 Standard Software only for KAT1x and KAT123x (version 1.x hardware) $119.95

Will this work with the v1 hardware?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You do not have to purchase a new cable if you do not want to. However if you use EFILiveV5 with the AutoTap AT1 V1 or AT123 V1 cable you will not be able to access the bi-directional controls. You will still get high speed data logging even using your old V1 cable.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1) Assuming I keep my current ATAP cable, How much faster at data logging will EFI live be than the version 2.X of Autotap?

2) If I get the new cable for EFI Live, will my data logging speed increase or do I just get the bi-directional feature?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AzzHauler:
<strong>What about the bottom one listed,

EVILiveV5 Standard Software only for KAT1x and KAT123x (version 1.x hardware) $119.95

Will this work with the v1 hardware?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, ATEFIV1STD ($119.95) and ATEFISTD ($144.95) are the same product. The $119.00 product is a special that is only available until September 30 2002. After Sep 30 ATEFIV1STD will no longer be available.

Paul

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
1) Assuming I keep my current ATAP cable, How much faster at data logging will EFI live be than the version 2.X of Autotap?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">EFILiveV5 (using the V1 hardware) will log 24 channels at 10 frames per second - the average number of useful PIDs that can be selected using 24 channels is about 19 because some PIDs use 2 channels. So EFILive can scan on average: 19 different PIDs at 10 samples per second.

AutoTap (using the V1 hardware) will log 1 PID approximately every 40ms. That's 25 different pids at 1 sample per second - which makes EFILiveV5 about 7.6 times faster than AutoTap V1.

These speeds are not fully determined by the speed of laptop or the interface. The speed is mostly controlled by the method used by the laptop software to scan the information from the PCM.

There are many ways to scan information from a GM PCM. EFILiveV5 uses a GM-proprietary mode to extract the information and is therefor able to take advantage of the PCM's high speed data transfer. This limits EFILiveV5 to only operating on GM vehicles. Other restrictions within EFILiveV5 further restrict EFILiveV5 to only operating correctly on GM's LS1 powertrain.

AutoTap is designed to work on all post-1996 US domestic (and most imported vehicles). This means AutoTap uses a data transfer mode that is compatible across all those manufacturers and models. It is a slower, but 100% compatible data transfer mode.

Note: As well as high speed data, EFILiveV5 also offers 3 other scan modes including the compatible scan mode used by AutoTap.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
2) If I get the new cable for EFI Live, will my data logging speed increase or do I just get the bi-directional feature?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When using EFILiveV5's high-speed data logging, the V1 and V2 interfaces operate at exactly the same speed. The speed of the data being sent is controlled by the PCM and is fixed at 10 frames (of 24 channels) per second. Both the V1 and V2 hardware interfaces can handle this speed no problems.

The only benefit of using the V2 hardware with EFILiveV5 is the ability to use bi-directional controls.

Regards
Paul

 

Paul:

Thanks for the info. You've confirmed why I almost never log more than 5 items in ATAP. The cycle speed is slow. To check my shift points, I was logging only rpm & mph, I guess that gave me the capacity to log about 11 - 12 frames a second.

ATAP hasn't been very stable for me, crashes 1/3 of the time at the track leaving runs unlogged. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Sounds like the EFILive software upgrade would probably solve my needs - stability & logging speed.

 

Alrighty then, I just tried ordering the $119 one. They said that since I have v1 hardware, which has no serial number like v2 hardware, no efilive software will work with my cable. Dats a bummer.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AzzHauler:
<strong>Alrighty then, I just tried ordering the $119 one. They said that since I have v1 hardware, which has no serial number like v2 hardware, no efilive software will work with my cable. Dats a bummer.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That sucks. I was thinking it would be worth the upgrade for $100. I'm not ready to spend the big bucks.

 

Spydum and Ozz are both correct.

You can use EFILiveV5 with the following hardware:
AT1 V1 - data logging only
AT123 V1 - data logging only
AT1 V2 - data logging and bi-directional controls.
AT123 V2 - data logging and bi-directional controls.

With using EFILiveV5 on the track you may want to take a look here: http://www.starrperformance.com.au/e.../faq_index.htm
under the question: Can I use the spark and fuel maps to override the PCM when I am on the racetrack, dragstrip or just driving around?

Regards
Paul

<small>[ September 03, 2002, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: EFIliveV5 ]</small>

 

I'm fairly certain that you were misinformed. EFILive V5 allows you to use Autotap V1 and V2 cables. The V1 cable will NOT work with EFILive v5 Pro (Bi-directional). However, ATAP V1 should still work with EFI Live v5 Standard. You might want to double check with them.

 

I would think the Pro version would be great for those of us that want to make some changes during Test and Tune times at the track, it seems like a better place than the dyno to get realtime info on changes ie. fuel and timing maps as the Pro version allows you to make temp changes but will require ls1edit to write the changes to mem.

Ozz

 

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