My thoughts on the Timing Tuner......
09-06-2002, 11:05 PM
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My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... I just got my Timing Tuner today and installed it. Ill start from the beginning.
The install was a challenge. You have to know where the crank position sensor is. Thats an easy one. Its above the starter. You have to remove the starter from the car to get to it and with the SLP headers, it only comes out one way and it only goes in one certain way, so thats like a little puzzle to figure out (kind like a square peg in a round hole), but once you get the starter outta the way, then you just unplug the sensor and the unit has a 2 sided end, so one end plugs into the sensor and the onher into the lead. After that you have to route the harness up to the top of the engine bay without hitting the headers. That wasnt too bad and then to wire it up. Its just plug and play unless you want the N2O activation retard, then you just splice 2 wires. Easy. Thats pretty much it for the install.
PITA factor: 7 (because of starter and SLPs)
The unit works great. I just got back from a test drive and Im one happy camper. The difference is night and day in the lower end and it flies in the top end. Right now I have the base timing at +2* and the WOT timing set at +2* so that a total of 4* total advance above 3k RPM. (base timing is the timing change all through the RPMs and WOT timing is the timing change above 3k only, so above 3k you add base and WOT) Its not too hard once you get a hands on. It is a big difference in acceleration!
It is also used as a window switch. You set the turn on at 16 different intervals and set to turn off at EITHER 5900 or 6300 RPM. Thats the one part I didnt like. If you have a motor that spins to 6800 and you spray that far, then you need an external window switch, but as long as you dont trun past 6300, the this is a window switch too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
It also has a activation delay which I havent figured out what it is yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> confusing instructions <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
The one thing I would make better is inside the unti, there is 2 LEDs and they are for diagnostics, it would be better if they were on the outside so you didnt have to take the cover off to see them.
Over all I like this and its worth it! Id give it a 10 for controlability! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Any Qs and Id be glad to see if I can answer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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The install was a challenge. You have to know where the crank position sensor is. Thats an easy one. Its above the starter. You have to remove the starter from the car to get to it and with the SLP headers, it only comes out one way and it only goes in one certain way, so thats like a little puzzle to figure out (kind like a square peg in a round hole), but once you get the starter outta the way, then you just unplug the sensor and the unit has a 2 sided end, so one end plugs into the sensor and the onher into the lead. After that you have to route the harness up to the top of the engine bay without hitting the headers. That wasnt too bad and then to wire it up. Its just plug and play unless you want the N2O activation retard, then you just splice 2 wires. Easy. Thats pretty much it for the install.
PITA factor: 7 (because of starter and SLPs)
The unit works great. I just got back from a test drive and Im one happy camper. The difference is night and day in the lower end and it flies in the top end. Right now I have the base timing at +2* and the WOT timing set at +2* so that a total of 4* total advance above 3k RPM. (base timing is the timing change all through the RPMs and WOT timing is the timing change above 3k only, so above 3k you add base and WOT) Its not too hard once you get a hands on. It is a big difference in acceleration!
It is also used as a window switch. You set the turn on at 16 different intervals and set to turn off at EITHER 5900 or 6300 RPM. Thats the one part I didnt like. If you have a motor that spins to 6800 and you spray that far, then you need an external window switch, but as long as you dont trun past 6300, the this is a window switch too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
It also has a activation delay which I havent figured out what it is yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> confusing instructions <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
The one thing I would make better is inside the unti, there is 2 LEDs and they are for diagnostics, it would be better if they were on the outside so you didnt have to take the cover off to see them.
Over all I like this and its worth it! Id give it a 10 for controlability! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Any Qs and Id be glad to see if I can answer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... Just have it ready for October <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> Hopefully it will work out for you and if it does you can hook one up on my car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
09-08-2002, 11:04 PM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... I seriously doubt ill be ready for October <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
I have done ~6 ATAP runs tonight and my unit DOES NOT work. I have the same timing with or without and on and off nitrous with and without the unit. Not good for $300 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
I have done ~6 ATAP runs tonight and my unit DOES NOT work. I have the same timing with or without and on and off nitrous with and without the unit. Not good for $300 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
09-09-2002, 07:43 PM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... Im definitely outside looking in but are you sure timing changes with translator can be read by Atap or any other monitor? It may be manipulating timing with out pcm detection, i would ask Ramchargers for sure. Please let us all know.
09-09-2002, 07:55 PM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... I called them today. The timing changes CAN NOT be seen by any scanner. It happens after the computer, so that was my fault. Also, for the timing retard on the N2O, you have to use the Timing Tuners window switch! I have the MSD window switch now, but I have to ditch it or use 2 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I also have the TNT wet kit and I have to do some rewiring. I have an email in to Mike at Ramcahrgers as to the best route to take with the wiring.
Since I know the changes cant be seen by the computer, I defently know why I can feel in in the SOTP. It defently pulls harder (even the GF agrees <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> )
Since I know the changes cant be seen by the computer, I defently know why I can feel in in the SOTP. It defently pulls harder (even the GF agrees <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> )
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Country Boy:
<strong>I just got my Timing Tuner today and installed it. Ill start from the beginning.
The install was a challenge. You have to know where the crank position sensor is. Thats an easy one. Its above the starter. You have to remove the starter from the car to get to it and with the SLP headers, it only comes out one way and it only goes in one certain way, so thats like a little puzzle to figure out (kind like a square peg in a round hole), but once you get the starter outta the way, then you just unplug the sensor and the unit has a 2 sided end, so one end plugs into the sensor and the onher into the lead. After that you have to route the harness up to the top of the engine bay without hitting the headers. That wasnt too bad and then to wire it up. Its just plug and play unless you want the N2O activation retard, then you just splice 2 wires. Easy. Thats pretty much it for the install.
PITA factor: 7 (because of starter and SLPs)
The unit works great. I just got back from a test drive and Im one happy camper. The difference is night and day in the lower end and it flies in the top end. Right now I have the base timing at +2* and the WOT timing set at +2* so that a total of 4* total advance above 3k RPM. (base timing is the timing change all through the RPMs and WOT timing is the timing change above 3k only, so above 3k you add base and WOT) Its not too hard once you get a hands on. It is a big difference in acceleration!
It is also used as a window switch. You set the turn on at 16 different intervals and set to turn off at EITHER 5900 or 6300 RPM. Thats the one part I didnt like. If you have a motor that spins to 6800 and you spray that far, then you need an external window switch, but as long as you dont trun past 6300, the this is a window switch too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
It also has a activation delay which I havent figured out what it is yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> confusing instructions <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
The one thing I would make better is inside the unti, there is 2 LEDs and they are for diagnostics, it would be better if they were on the outside so you didnt have to take the cover off to see them.
Over all I like this and its worth it! Id give it a 10 for controlability! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Any Qs and Id be glad to see if I can answer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just got the timing tuner last week. I was under the car changing the #8 plug over the weekend and just looking at the starter to kind of visualize the removal. Let me ask you a few questions. There are two bolts holding the starter on, right? They are straight up into the block on both sides of the starter, correct? Now if this is right, I remove both of those bolts and does the starter have to be pulled forward away from the flywheel or does it just drop straigh down. How far do you have to remove the starter to get to the crank sensor? And finally, when you reinstall the starter it just slides back into position, right? Just have to understand before I actually make the move. Also, I'm NA and I know your N2O, but did you really feel a difference in the NA mode?
<small>[ September 09, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: SS125 ]</small>
<strong>I just got my Timing Tuner today and installed it. Ill start from the beginning.
The install was a challenge. You have to know where the crank position sensor is. Thats an easy one. Its above the starter. You have to remove the starter from the car to get to it and with the SLP headers, it only comes out one way and it only goes in one certain way, so thats like a little puzzle to figure out (kind like a square peg in a round hole), but once you get the starter outta the way, then you just unplug the sensor and the unit has a 2 sided end, so one end plugs into the sensor and the onher into the lead. After that you have to route the harness up to the top of the engine bay without hitting the headers. That wasnt too bad and then to wire it up. Its just plug and play unless you want the N2O activation retard, then you just splice 2 wires. Easy. Thats pretty much it for the install.
PITA factor: 7 (because of starter and SLPs)
The unit works great. I just got back from a test drive and Im one happy camper. The difference is night and day in the lower end and it flies in the top end. Right now I have the base timing at +2* and the WOT timing set at +2* so that a total of 4* total advance above 3k RPM. (base timing is the timing change all through the RPMs and WOT timing is the timing change above 3k only, so above 3k you add base and WOT) Its not too hard once you get a hands on. It is a big difference in acceleration!
It is also used as a window switch. You set the turn on at 16 different intervals and set to turn off at EITHER 5900 or 6300 RPM. Thats the one part I didnt like. If you have a motor that spins to 6800 and you spray that far, then you need an external window switch, but as long as you dont trun past 6300, the this is a window switch too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
It also has a activation delay which I havent figured out what it is yet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> confusing instructions <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
The one thing I would make better is inside the unti, there is 2 LEDs and they are for diagnostics, it would be better if they were on the outside so you didnt have to take the cover off to see them.
Over all I like this and its worth it! Id give it a 10 for controlability! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Any Qs and Id be glad to see if I can answer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just got the timing tuner last week. I was under the car changing the #8 plug over the weekend and just looking at the starter to kind of visualize the removal. Let me ask you a few questions. There are two bolts holding the starter on, right? They are straight up into the block on both sides of the starter, correct? Now if this is right, I remove both of those bolts and does the starter have to be pulled forward away from the flywheel or does it just drop straigh down. How far do you have to remove the starter to get to the crank sensor? And finally, when you reinstall the starter it just slides back into position, right? Just have to understand before I actually make the move. Also, I'm NA and I know your N2O, but did you really feel a difference in the NA mode?
<small>[ September 09, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: SS125 ]</small>
09-10-2002, 06:30 AM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... The starter is easy. DISCONNECT the battery! The you just remove the 2 bolts and slide it outta there. Theres nothing tricky. You will need to remove the batter cable from the starter once the starter starts to come out. Its easier to get to that way. And when your just putting it back in, it just slides back up there and bolt the 2 bolts back up. You dont have to match any teeth up since the arbor is instde ther starter untill you engauge it. Its really that easy.
BTW~ the starter has tto come all the way out. The sensor is above the starter.
Yes, I did feel it N/A. It doesnt feel the same without it now. My car feels sluggish when its bypassed now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
BTW~ the starter has tto come all the way out. The sensor is above the starter.
Yes, I did feel it N/A. It doesnt feel the same without it now. My car feels sluggish when its bypassed now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
09-12-2002, 09:04 PM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... Does the tuner affect a hyper3 if I have both installed?What I mean is will they condridict each other. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... i am very interested in getting this timing tuner, doea it have a MAFT in it also? can i have it set up to add timing on n/a runs, and then when i shoot nitrous have it pull timing at WOT? i have a TNT wet shot.
09-13-2002, 05:27 PM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TApimp:
<strong>i am very interested in getting this timing tuner, doea it have a MAFT in it also? can i have it set up to add timing on n/a runs, and then when i shoot nitrous have it pull timing at WOT? i have a TNT wet shot.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The MAFT is a seperate deal. No relation.
Thats EXACTLY what it does! You can adjust the timing for max power N/A and when the nitrous system is activated, it will retartd the timing automatically so you arent stuck with one set timing setting. Im lovin mine so far <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
It also has settings for the supercharger guys too. It will retard the timing with RPM, the more RPMs the more timing it pulls. Im supprised they arent all over it!
Rudde68: On the HPP3, I imagine that since the changes take place AFTER the computer that what ever the HPP3 does to it, The Timing Tuner will adjust it from there, but Im not sure. Just give Mike at Ramchargers a call. He'll help ya. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<strong>i am very interested in getting this timing tuner, doea it have a MAFT in it also? can i have it set up to add timing on n/a runs, and then when i shoot nitrous have it pull timing at WOT? i have a TNT wet shot.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The MAFT is a seperate deal. No relation.
Thats EXACTLY what it does! You can adjust the timing for max power N/A and when the nitrous system is activated, it will retartd the timing automatically so you arent stuck with one set timing setting. Im lovin mine so far <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
It also has settings for the supercharger guys too. It will retard the timing with RPM, the more RPMs the more timing it pulls. Im supprised they arent all over it!
Rudde68: On the HPP3, I imagine that since the changes take place AFTER the computer that what ever the HPP3 does to it, The Timing Tuner will adjust it from there, but Im not sure. Just give Mike at Ramchargers a call. He'll help ya. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... Well, I put the Timing Tuner on today. Couldn't test drive the car because it rained and was pretty wet outside. I'll do that tomorrow. Pretty easy install, just had to work to get the starter out and then keeping the wires away from the headers. Good news is though, the car started!!! I read above that after this was installed the car picked up 20 rwhp. Is that for real?
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... Even though we make them I have to agree. If a car was in perfect tune the gain is "0" I know of VERY few cars in perfect tune however so most will see some gains. I N2O or Blower car should see some very good gains though.
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... To: Mike Licht
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Thanks for the kick *** response time in getting me the new 6800rpm chip for one of the best "tuners" out there for our LS1's. Had it waitin' for me when I returned from San Antonio saturday afteroon.
Sure is nice having the best of both worlds !!
Guy's this is the ticket for some of us wanting to "fine tune" our applications. Correct base and advance timing for our N/A runs and then the correct amount of retard for when we decide to play with the good stuff ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Plus the delay features for the NOS are second to none. My hats off to RAMCHARGERS for all their help answering ALL my questions during installation and the additional work, they did not have to do , to perfect my set up !! You guys RULE...
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Thanks for the kick *** response time in getting me the new 6800rpm chip for one of the best "tuners" out there for our LS1's. Had it waitin' for me when I returned from San Antonio saturday afteroon.
Sure is nice having the best of both worlds !!
Guy's this is the ticket for some of us wanting to "fine tune" our applications. Correct base and advance timing for our N/A runs and then the correct amount of retard for when we decide to play with the good stuff ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Plus the delay features for the NOS are second to none. My hats off to RAMCHARGERS for all their help answering ALL my questions during installation and the additional work, they did not have to do , to perfect my set up !! You guys RULE...
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09-21-2002, 10:39 PM
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... I have to say that the tuner is great down low under 5200.It feels more responsive.I have an 01 car that tops timing at 25 degrees,so this helps alot with my setup.The only problem I'm having is that from 5200 up the adjustments are making no difference.I could be at my max HP,but I don't think so.I will be getting in touch with Ramchargers about this next week.
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Re: My thoughts on the Timing Tuner...... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Country Boy:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
<strong>I have to say that the tuner is great down low under 5200.It feels more responsive.I have an 01 car that tops timing at 25 degrees,so this helps alot with my setup.The only problem I'm having is that from 5200 up the adjustments are making no difference.I could be at my max HP,but I don't think so.I will be getting in touch with Ramchargers about this next week.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have the same timing peak at 25*s from factory <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I have my total advance +5*s to be around 30*s or so. It moves reall good now, but for some reason I lost 2 cylinders last night <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> #7 is dead and number 2 is only 1/2 firing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Im pulling the plugs when she colls to hopefully see something.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did you find out why you lost two cylinders? Hopefully it had nothing to do with the timing tuner. Let us know what happened.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
<strong>I have to say that the tuner is great down low under 5200.It feels more responsive.I have an 01 car that tops timing at 25 degrees,so this helps alot with my setup.The only problem I'm having is that from 5200 up the adjustments are making no difference.I could be at my max HP,but I don't think so.I will be getting in touch with Ramchargers about this next week.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have the same timing peak at 25*s from factory <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I have my total advance +5*s to be around 30*s or so. It moves reall good now, but for some reason I lost 2 cylinders last night <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> #7 is dead and number 2 is only 1/2 firing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Im pulling the plugs when she colls to hopefully see something.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did you find out why you lost two cylinders? Hopefully it had nothing to do with the timing tuner. Let us know what happened.