Announcing Pre-Orders for VCM Suite 2.1 and MPVI (USB)!!
02-02-2006, 08:52 AM
#81
Originally Posted by Jassick
ok, so far i only see one problem, and that is the "MPVI Std to MPVI Pro" upgrade. it's $289, where as it's only a $150 difference in the original ordering, what gives? am i just reading it wrong? so far i liked the new system, until i read that.
The way I read this is:
If you buy the MPVI standard today for 499, then next month you realize you should have bought wideband support, you have to pay 289 to upgrade even though it was only a 150 option at the time of original purchase. Thats a 140 dollar idiot tax. In reality it probably has to do with the fact that the interfaces cost a lot to produce and once its used it shows wear no matter how slight, and can not be re-sold. Rather than eat the cost of the original interface, HPT charges you a little more to cover their loss.
02-02-2006, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 99Fbody99
I have no problem with the USB upgrade price..I think its fair and just.
But, as a Full Gen III package owner I think the new LS2 price structure is very dissapointing. Maybe I am wrong but.
05 GTO $1000
05 Vette $1000
06 GTO $1000
06 Vette $1000
SSR $1000
Thats a huge increase in price and hard to swallow for a lots of "tweaner" tuners. I can see $1000 for build year but for each Model/year is high. The primary reason for selecting this over something like EFI live was the attractive pricing struture.
It seems due to the new prices etc it may be time to look again at alternatives.
Dave
But, as a Full Gen III package owner I think the new LS2 price structure is very dissapointing. Maybe I am wrong but.
05 GTO $1000
05 Vette $1000
06 GTO $1000
06 Vette $1000
SSR $1000
Thats a huge increase in price and hard to swallow for a lots of "tweaner" tuners. I can see $1000 for build year but for each Model/year is high. The primary reason for selecting this over something like EFI live was the attractive pricing struture.
It seems due to the new prices etc it may be time to look again at alternatives.
Dave
plus if you want LS7 that is going to be more still,
02-02-2006, 09:14 AM
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Some will complain about it, but the pricing structure, for a shop is very competitive, and for a individual user who wants to tune their own vehicles is a nice.
For the guy that does tuning on the side for money, it increases the cost a little, if they want unlimited, but in reality, I think that is a good thing, since it does not reduce the value of the tuning industry. While I have made a few $$ tuning on the side with my hptuners cable, my primary job relies on tuning knowledge to be worth $$, not something that can be done on an hour of street driving, for $100
Ryan
For the guy that does tuning on the side for money, it increases the cost a little, if they want unlimited, but in reality, I think that is a good thing, since it does not reduce the value of the tuning industry. While I have made a few $$ tuning on the side with my hptuners cable, my primary job relies on tuning knowledge to be worth $$, not something that can be done on an hour of street driving, for $100
Ryan
02-02-2006, 10:26 AM
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edit* let me make sure i got this right. its 199 for the upgrade from serial to usb pro. with that i can choose to get all 99-01 ls1 fbodys and upgrade 2 individual vehicles to 1bar?
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02-02-2006, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ninobrn99
edit* let me make sure i got this right. its 199 for the upgrade from serial to usb pro. with that i can choose to get all 99-01 ls1 fbodys and upgrade 2 individual vehicles to 1bar?
You get 8 credits.
Each year ls1 fbody you get is 6 credits for unlimited vins.
4 years * 6 credits is 24 credits.
Alternatively you could add single VINs for 2 credits each.
an upgrade to 1-bar SD is 1 credit additional per vin.
02-02-2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
You get 8 credits.
Each year ls1 fbody you get is 6 credits for unlimited vins.
4 years * 6 credits is 24 credits.
Alternatively you could add single VINs for 2 credits each.
an upgrade to 1-bar SD is 1 credit additional per vin.
Each year ls1 fbody you get is 6 credits for unlimited vins.
4 years * 6 credits is 24 credits.
Alternatively you could add single VINs for 2 credits each.
an upgrade to 1-bar SD is 1 credit additional per vin.
02-02-2006, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by foff667
don't get confused guys...if your just upgrading and this is NOT A NEW PURCHASE your not given any credits...whatever was on your old serial cable will just be transferred over to your new one.
02-02-2006, 11:51 AM
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Dealing with resale if the USB had used all credits and had single vech lic. then the value would be ~$100 -->$499- 8*$49.
Old cables can still tune 2 vech. that they had been purchased for. Just have to find someone that had at least one of those vech types to be worth at least ~$300.
Old cables can still tune 2 vech. that they had been purchased for. Just have to find someone that had at least one of those vech types to be worth at least ~$300.
02-02-2006, 01:27 PM
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SoundEngineer is getting a good deal. 4 mod/vins is 900 in the old style + 200(new EIO) for the upgrade. instead of 649(new eio) + 800(credits to unlock 4 make models).
thats 1449 new, and 1100 old. a 350 dolla difference.
thats 1449 new, and 1100 old. a 350 dolla difference.
02-02-2006, 02:12 PM
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add 2 more years and there is only $150 difference. The guys complaining so much seems to be the ones that want multiple years. But HPT lowered the price for these guys buying extra years on the same cable by $100. Plus existing customers use the old pricing scheem where they can get their 2 extra years at $199. So noone really looses out here unless you tried to get multiple cables which just complicated things for HPT guys.
02-02-2006, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
The way I read this is:
If you buy the MPVI standard today for 499, then next month you realize you should have bought wideband support, you have to pay 289 to upgrade even though it was only a 150 option at the time of original purchase. Thats a 140 dollar idiot tax. In reality it probably has to do with the fact that the interfaces cost a lot to produce and once its used it shows wear no matter how slight, and can not be re-sold. Rather than eat the cost of the original interface, HPT charges you a little more to cover their loss.
If you buy the MPVI standard today for 499, then next month you realize you should have bought wideband support, you have to pay 289 to upgrade even though it was only a 150 option at the time of original purchase. Thats a 140 dollar idiot tax. In reality it probably has to do with the fact that the interfaces cost a lot to produce and once its used it shows wear no matter how slight, and can not be re-sold. Rather than eat the cost of the original interface, HPT charges you a little more to cover their loss.
but it makes sense i guess. so when you upgrade to pro you send back the whole thing and get a new one? (not really sure what you'd have to send back exactly, be it cable, software, etc.)
02-02-2006, 02:32 PM
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Excuse me if this has already been covered but what I'd like to figure out is say I used 4 of my credits for 2-05 trucks and 4 for 2-04's, then I wanted to buy unlimited tuning for 05's. Will it cost me only 2 more credits since I have 4 already invested in the 05's or will I have to buy all 6?
***Edit: I do not have the serial version of HPT btw. I do have 2.1 on order though. I should have clarrified this.
***Edit: I do not have the serial version of HPT btw. I do have 2.1 on order though. I should have clarrified this.
02-02-2006, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mjhoward
Excuse me if this has already been covered but what I'd like to figure out is say I used 4 of my credits for 2-05 trucks and 4 for 2-04's, then I wanted to buy unlimited tuning for 05's. Will it cost me only 2 more credits since I have 4 already invested in the 05's or will I have to buy all 6?
02-02-2006, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
all six
I know you guys are trying to please everyone but it's just not happening.
02-02-2006, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnus
LS7 is combined with LS2.
The 06 vette license will allow you to tune both LS2 and LS7 vehicles.
They are both Gen 4.
The 06 vette license will allow you to tune both LS2 and LS7 vehicles.
They are both Gen 4.
thats nice to know..
02-02-2006, 02:57 PM
#100
Originally Posted by mjhoward
If you could use the 8 given credits as "credit" torwards upgrades then it would be just as good of a deal as before for the simple man.
I know you guys are trying to please everyone but it's just not happening.
I know you guys are trying to please everyone but it's just not happening.