Ok i tuned the truck with just the base program that the tuner puts in from the get go. I can tell a pretty good jump in power. I didnt reset of upgrade any of the diablo base settings. You have to run at least 91 with this tuner. There is no economy settings. you can upgrade your tuner through a program off your pc. You call diablo and they will build you a custom program. I dont feel the t.m like i did before. you can also see what your engine is doing.. it gives you read out on everything. { spark curve, timing, o2's , MAF readings, and etc... the base program is set to be dummy proof. it will only let you set the truck to 125 and 6000rpms. if you have electric fans then you have them set at a degree setting of your choice. this things works for any 99 and up gm product with a v8. So, no more " I need one for a 99 or 2001 model" . Like I said we should have it on a dynojet tomorrow. but with the base program I could tell quite a difference. I do like that this programmer is totally upgradeable. I should have a program in next month to change the air fuel mixture and timing even more than the current 5 degrees and the speedo up to 140. it lets you calibrate for gear changes and so on. you can { it sems} control you line pressure on the tranny. I love this thing. Dyno should tell the story

<small>[ October 28, 2002, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: RED2K ]</small>

 

Isn't it married to your VIN? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

 

Yes. They would be stupid not to.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RED2K:
<strong>Yes. They would be stupid not to.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let me clarify, "married" as in it's not like a Hypertech. You cannot return your pcm back to stock and try it on another car or sell it if you wanted to. At least that's what I get out of the 11 pages of posts on Corvette forum. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

<small>[ October 29, 2002, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: Dr Debacle ]</small>

 

Sorry, You can use it on one truck or car at a time. you can use it on any 99 and up gm car or truck with a v8. So if I want to sell it , and i have a 2k truck, my buddy can buy it and use it on his 2002 vette if he wanted.

 

I heard once you use it on your vehicle that is it. You cannot use it on another even if you restore your vehicle back to stock. Just like LS1edit.

 

RED2K.....The programmer is MARRIED TO THE FIRST VEHICLE you load it into. You CANNOT re-load your stock program and then install the PREDATOR program in another car. I have been testing this product for months and it's only good on ONE car. Sorry!!!

Bob
Predator Beta Tester

 

16again is right. Says so in their user manual.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by red53gmc:
<strong>16again is right. Says so in their user manual.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Like I said I have and still am doing the testing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> We are now testing the internet update software. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Bob

 

Yes you are right. I found out the first batches you will have to send in and get flashed if you want to use them on another ride. They are making them soon to where you can back the vin out and use it on another like the hypertech. What downloads has you already got for it. We are waiting for ours. We just got our first batch of programmers.

<small>[ October 30, 2002, 07:39 AM: Message edited by: RED2K ]</small>

 

On the Dyno our 01 5.3 truck wih exhaust, intake, 160 thermostat, underdrive pulleys, and free mods gained 12RWHP tuesday.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RED2K:
<strong>Yes you are right. I found out the first batches you will have to send in and get flashed if you want to use them on another ride. They are making them soon to where you can back the vin out and use it on another like the hypertech. What downloads has you already got for it. We are waiting for ours. We just got our first batch of programmers.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Married to the VIN forever. They are not making one that can be used on multiple cars........You will be able to scan multiple cars. No downloads available yet but, as soon as they have updates I will download them and report the progress of the testing.

Bob

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RED2K:
<strong>They are making them soon to where you can back the vin out and use it on another like the hypertech.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">RED2K, hey friend, actually that is incorrect. DiabloSport is not making a Predator for the consumer to use that would tune on multiple vehicles w/out marrying to the VIN, and does not have any plans for it in the future.

<small>[ November 01, 2002, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: BfB ]</small>

 

Well that's just a waste of a programmer. Not worth the money. $425 + $150 for each custom tune, then if something happens to the vehicle, ie. wreck, theft, sold, then you're out of the money you invested in the Diablo. Whereas b/c the HPP3 can be reused, you can sell it if you need the money at any time.

 

BIG disappointment!

I was hoping Predator would allow ME to reprogram my car.

 

Just did a full dyno beta test last night with the Diablo Sport Predator. Initially their preset performance tune gained a best of 2 RWHP. In the end we set the A/F all the way to 5% lean and left the timing in the same position as the performance tune (which may have been the same as stock since we forgot to check). This netted us a total of 7 RWHP and 8 RWTQ. I also compensated for my 3.73's, disabled the CAGS light (already had the !CAGS installed but this disabled the periodic light too), and permanently disabled the SES set by the O/R Y. I can change the fan settings, use it as a diagnostic tool, and restore factory settings at any time. All this and I don't need to buy a laptop or a cable. My A/F is sitting right at 13.0:1 through most of the power band and just under that at about 4800-RL. It is fully net upgradeable and is easy to understand and navigate. Honestly, I don't see a downside to this thing. The only dyno test I've ever seen on the HPP3 showed -2 RWHP/-3 RWTQ averaged over 3 runs. It's essentially a very expensive speedo calibration tool IMO. It doesn't even compare to the Predator.

LS1Edit is a great tool but you need a laptop and there are tons of configurable parameters. It's an impressive tool for the avid tuner, maybe even essential. But I think most of the LS1 garage mechanics (like me) will never use the additional functionality of it. And the Predator can catch up in the future anyway since it can be upgraded. It will probably never get to the same level but I don't think it ever needs to.

I've pretty much worked out a dyno tune package with the owner of the shop. If anyone in northern California is interested in this type of package, send me an E-mail and I'll give you the details. I don't want to post it just yet until I make sure the owner is firm on the pricing. But I'll know within the next few days. Please don't think I'm trying to sell this thing or that I stand to make any profit. I just think it's a good tool and the owner of the dyno shop is a friend. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

BTW, I have an 02 LE with Bassani O/R Y, Powershot, smooth bellows, DD, lid, and 3.73's.

 

I'm a little confused, If my GM dealer were to reflash my truck, would the diablo tuning be gone for good? Or would it be a $150 download to reprogram it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> And you can't remove it and sell it? What's up with that. I think I'll just stick to my ol' -2hp kick in the pants hpp3 for now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JWRENCH:
<strong>I'm a little confused, If my GM dealer were to reflash my truck, would the diablo tuning be gone for good? Or would it be a $150 download to reprogram it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> And you can't remove it and sell it? What's up with that. I think I'll just stick to my ol' -2hp kick in the pants hpp3 for now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as I know, you're right. In the case that you have to reflash your truck, you would probably have to contact DiabloSport to see what could be done to reset the Predator. I think the same holds true for LS1Edit. So, if you're satisfied with the HPP3 and you're concerned that you may need to reflash the PCM for some reason, then there's no reason to switch. But the Predator is capable of returning programming back to stock. I suppose this is a form of reflashing in and of itself. Although I do agree that you should be able to remove the programming and re-sell the unit. And DiabloSport really needs to have a safeguard for this sort of thing. Maybe there already is one. Honestly, I don't know.

People have been using LT1/LS1Edit for years with the same caviat. So it would seem that, for the most part, the tuning/diagnostic capabilities override the resale value.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm a little confused, If my GM dealer were to reflash my truck, would the diablo tuning be gone for good?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as I know, you're right. In the case that you have to reflash your truck, you would probably have to contact DiabloSport to see what could be done to reset the Predator.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In actuality, the DiabloSport Predator is the ONLY tool on the market that will STILL work w/ your vehicle EVEN if your dealer reflashes your pcm, and EVEN if the Predator's tune was still in the vehicle at the time.

The Predator will NOT need resetting because of this. Pretty neat, huh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Sincerely...

<small>[ November 04, 2002, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: BfB ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by red53gmc:
<strong>Well that's just a waste of a programmer. Not worth the money. $425 + $150 for each custom tune, then if something happens to the vehicle, ie. wreck, theft, sold, then you're out of the money you invested in the Diablo. Whereas b/c the HPP3 can be reused, you can sell it if you need the money at any time.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Am I missing something?? Where does the $150 for each tune come from???