redsscamaroboy

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Could someone help locate a shop that is able to dyno tune and has Ls1 Edit? I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan and would love to know where my options are at. Thanks in advance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

redsscamaroboy

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TTT

ZYA_LTR

I don't know of any on your side of the state, but on the east side, there are a few that do tunig, it all depends on what kind of tuning you want, there is a place called Automotive Performance Engineering 10 mins from me, or there is Detroit Speedworks, but there web page says only 99/00 cars, i'd call to check for sure though.

Jason

<small>[ November 25, 2002, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: ZYA_LTR ]</small>

smokin t/a 600

damn you car is fast! the video is sweet. <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

y2khawk

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by smokin t/a 600:
<strong>damn you car is fast! the video is sweet. <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

You should have seen me driving it to and from Lansing last Thursday. Not very fast then <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Stenod

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hmmm... let's think about that harlan!

800RWHP DOES NOT MIX WITH SNOW, RAIN, AND HEAVY TRAFFIC, AND BALD DRAG RADIALS!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Anyways!!,

I Second Detroit Speedworks, Talk to Phil or Greg, Great guys to deal with. Check out my dyno #'s below. (Stock internals) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Tell them STENOD sent you!! <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

Joe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: BLACK02SS ]</small>

y2khawk

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Detroit Speedworks

http://www.detroitspeedworks.com/

That's where I do all my dyno work <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

ZYA_LTR

If all you need is basic adjustments, you should find a shop that can do benchtop programming, so you don't have to drive all the way to this side of the state, and could just send your PCM to them, Mach Performance, which is is on this side of the state, is buying LS1 Edit as we speak, and is going to do benchtop programming, as well as Road tuning/programming, with a Wide band O2. If you want, give Bill a call @ 586-468-6300, and tell him Jason sent you, i think he is running a Holiday season special from now till Jan 1st. And raod tuning with a wideband is actually better than tuning on a Dyno, even Matt will agree, that it is better to tune the car in real situations, than on a dyno in a room, yeah, you'll get the numbers, but your car isn't in the environment that you race in/drive in. But the dyno can get you close, but then you need to go out and drive the car, and log all of the things you changed, and monitor everything.

y2khawk

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ZYA_LTR:
<strong>And raod tuning with a wideband is actually better than tuning on a Dyno, even Matt will agree, that it is better to tune the car in real situations, than on a dyno in a room, yeah, you'll get the numbers, but your car isn't in the environment that you race in/drive in. But the dyno can get you close, but then you need to go out and drive the car, and log all of the things you changed, and monitor everything.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's one of the particular reasons i go to Speedworks. They've got an eddy current dyno, full loading capabilites. It will bring the car to it's knees if you want <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> No dynojet will let me set boost on the rolls. Set it to hold the car at 70 MPH, hit WOT and turn the **** till i see the boost i want. Can't get any better for real road load simulation.

Find me a place I can make a 40 MPH to 150 MPH 4th gear WOT run, watch my boost, fuel pressure, and the wide band, not worry about traffic, cops, or **** in the road, and be able to pick up sub-audible detonation or misfire from the load cell trace on the dyno and i'll agree with you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Or let me hold set speed and load points to fill in a VE table for that matter.

Not knocking on Mach, they sponsor our car club but so do I.

Give greg a call. If you just need little things changed, he can bench flash the PCM. They already have LS1-edit

redsscamaroboy

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Thanks for the info ! I will look into Detroit Speedworks. I know a friend with a twin turbo mustang and i think he said that is 1 of the places he has gone(if i remember right)
Black02ss those #'s are very impressive! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
ZYA-LTR,thanks for the info,if i get to the east side i will check it out. I need rear o2 sensor delete and raised rev limiter as well as shift points and any a/f ratio adjustments that help.
Thanks again guys. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Stenod

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by y2khawk:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ZYA_LTR:
<strong>And raod tuning with a wideband is actually better than tuning on a Dyno, even Matt will agree....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Find me a place I can make a 40 MPH to 150 MPH 4th gear WOT run, watch my boost, fuel pressure, and the wide band, not worry about traffic, cops, or **** in the road, and be able to pick up sub-audible detonation or misfire from the load cell trace on the dyno and i'll agree with you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Or let me hold set speed and load points to fill in a VE table for that matter.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kind of sounds like he DOESN'T agree, maybe it is just me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> (all in fun)

I personally like the dyno tuning, my car runs awsome, we tuned it at speedworks, then took it out on the street, had the laptop still plugged in, car ran EXACTLY the same. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> Maybe it is just good tuning!.

<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

turbolx

FWIW, I used to tune on the road/interstate before I got my load bearing dyno. It is certainly possible to tune a car that way, but it takes longer, is less repeatable, is far less safe, and gives far less data to review before making adjustments. I think Matt and Joe pretty much hit the nail on the head.

redsscamaroboy

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Thanks to all that are sharing opinions and info,it's all good stuff to know(for me). Anyone want to hazard a guess to the ball park figure dyno tuning / bench tuning costs. I have been into cars for as long as i can remember and have been a professional auto technician for approx 10 years and this is the first time any project car has gone this route. I love the LS1 and the OBD2 computer with all it's capacities. Again thanks for sharing info. But what am i looking at as far as ballpark costs. Thanks ,Dave <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

ZYA_LTR

My bad fella's. Matt, i didn't realize that Greg had that type of dyno, i was refering to a dynojet, like you said, that won't load the car to simulate real driving situations, therefore you would be tuning the car for situations that the car would never see. So in a diggerent sort of way, ya do agree with me <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> Is that dyno the one that they got from Modern Musclecar? if it is, i didn't know that they had that kind at MM, With that being the case, after we tune the car at Mach's, i'll have Greg dyno it, instead of using APE's, it sounds like Greg's is a better setup. I'm probably just gonna buy my own LS1 Edit software, so i can play with the car, and might give Greg a call to see what he would charge to help me tweak my Calibration, after slapping the car on the Dyno, when the new motor is done.