TAQuickness

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AutoVE. AutoTune is owned by someone else (non HPT or Live).

soundengineer

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whatever...
toe-may-toe
toe-mah-toe

its all just AFR error % tuning

and it works well on both platforms

bmfcamaro

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(hump) is there nothing you like about hptuners? is efi live on some other platform? they both tune a car. does efi do it faster, better, easier? the pcm's all have the same info, how can efi be so much better? learn to be humble. people see this. if i was in this guys position i would wonder. i dont like people that cant say anything nice about other people. i have never had a bad experience with hptuners. i have gotten inperson help before. i dont have to be a tunershop. i am a regular hobbiest. i think efi seems like a great product, but hptuners had what i needed when i made my decision. 98 support. you guys seem to be doing well. your just so damn pushy. like car salesmen.

Black02SS

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You know, I did this on YOUR forum and guess what, it got locked... Here is a screen shot though if guys don't remember what I typed.



Also, I am curious bmf, besides HPT, what other tuning package have you owned personally and used on a constant basis. I know of several in this thread that own several and can make the statements we do.

TAQuickness

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Just trying to keep you honest.

HumpinSS

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Its not that I feel its my duty to complete what people have left out about such a great product. I have seen you do the same hypocrite much


To date EFI has more available PIDs for scaning and more avaliable tables for tuning right SE?


Being passive hasnt gotten me anywhere on this site. Ive been there dont that and have failed mserable with the amount of locked threads by both parties

Neither have I, I just chose to go with a product i felt was superior


Sorry you feel that way I am just listing out everything that makes me happy about my purchase. I cant help that it makes you feel that way

soundengineer

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yea...I'm not to happy about that either...I posted something that they didnt like too....
but it is their site...so its their decision

Black02SS

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Scott, I can finally say once I agree with you. I could have posted what you wrote, but out of respect for them/you I didn't. I personally think it sucks when you being a mod can't even express your concerns on your own forum.

foff667

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who's the hypocrite? your talking about ls2/ls7/allison transmissions & duramax custom Operating systems in this post but then a couple of posts down you say "I dont care about ford or dodge I own an LS1" exactly what is the difference? I doubt you'll be getting an ls7 or duramax anytime soon lol. Look guys we all know what each product has to offer the fact is in this thread we are getting way off track. For starters he doesnt even wanna go SD meaning 2 bar 3 bar 10 bar operating systems might not even be something that will attract him. The bottom line is no system out there currently available to the public is going to tune the car for you its still up the end end user. Both have forums, both offer great products...I would recommend either getting hptuners pro version or the std efilive box since you could upgrade later...hptuners in the long run in your current situation would save you a few bucks and if you decided to go the 2 bar route could save you a few hundred. Again both can get to the same point but its up to you the tuner to punch in the numbers. Either get back on track guys or you know what happens next.

lata
Bill

HumpinSS

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I will be getting an LS7 and Duramax tow truck shortly its GM and it applies Now ford or dodge I could care less about

foff667

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so whens the auction for your first born?

Black02SS

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He has to get laid first.

Spenser309

who wants to start a thread where the only people who can respond are thoose that have owned both? I mean full on show me your reciepts both. It would help me decide. Ill create it if someone will make sure and delete all posts that dont have a picture of either both cables side by side or the reciepts. No EFI only people can post and no HPT only can post. better be the same camera that takes the pictures also.

Anyone think its a good idea? If you feel strongly one way or the other then get the pictures and post up.

Done with the Hi Jack.

Black02SS

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Recommended it a long time ago, won't happen.

HumpinSS

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Ill start by positng my pic tonight

TAQuickness

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It better be bigger than a babies arm or your post will be deleted

Pro Stock John

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Some of you guys carry on too much, and show a bias a mile wide.

To be honest, I'd rather just see users post once, rather than carry on for a few pages.

I like the trade-in deal you can get with HPT, if they still do it.

And I have never owned EFI or HPT, but would pick HPT because I think the software is well done.

Spenser309

see i heard from a user, i would hand out his name but dont want him to get flamed for what he said in private, that the guy learned .net while he was writing the code for vs 1.7. I cant comment if this is a bad thing because ive never written much in .net, but with java, and c++, theres little things you can do to make the programs faster, less buggy, and take up less space.

However, aside from this you got to look at this from the broad spectrum of what these companies are actually doing. There doing something that the LS1 Computer wasnt supposed to do, or HACKING THE COMPUTER. Theres bound to be bugs, not only because of the embedded computers limits for memory and speed, but the fact that HPT and EFI both need to convert the file from binary to assembly. Like in any language change theres gonna be errors? Like how you say pimp in English dont have the same meaning in German.

Anyways, i just think yall need to look at this from the broad spectrum and stop being so closeminded. What you should be buying is not just the product but the support that goes with it. Look at linux for example, you can buy RED Hat linux for iono 100 bucks, but there tech support iono it aint perfect and it aint personal. Or you could buy Blue Cat(my father works for this company) at say 150 for 1 license, but the support and R&D with Blue Cat is a work of art. If windows dont cut it(predator) but you dont have any experience with almost realtime os's, and dont want to learn. Which do you choose?

of course if you have the need go for the stars and by LYNX OS. Realtime US Army approved, ran in the future combat systems, bullet train and mobile howlitzer loading system. KINDA like BS3. Iono ignore this last paragraph its me taking the **** to far.