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Old 03-21-2006, 07:39 PM
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they already tried and stopped. i dont think you will be seeing 2 bar for 98 from the tuning companies.
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they already tried and stopped. i dont think you will be seeing 2 bar for 98 from the tuning companies.
.........and you know this how? I emailed HP Tuner about it and all I was told: "Not this time"
Old 03-22-2006, 12:13 PM
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i talked to one of them a while back. dont want to say who though sorry
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Originally Posted by Billiumss
Once we get all our ducks in a row, it should be very interesting to get this to work. Hopefully when I use the VE AFR Histogram in my HP Tuner scanner, it will be as easy as: scan, cut, and paste in the Main & Secondary VE tables.
So when the values split in half, how would you access the additional values in HPT? Would it be a matter simple math so values for 100kPa would be pasted into the 50kPa cells?

Or is the value splitting more correlated to the actual VE values themselves?
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You're basically halving your resolution...

to use the 2 bar you'll be using the secondary VE on a 98
secondary VE is 10kpa resolution
So w/2 bar w/out an OS enhancement, it now becomes 20kpa resolution

so 50kpa reported would need to be tuned for 100kpa actual
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Originally Posted by bmfcamaro
dont want to say who though sorry
ok......
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Originally Posted by horist
You're basically halving your resolution...

to use the 2 bar you'll be using the secondary VE on a 98
secondary VE is 10kpa resolution
So w/2 bar w/out an OS enhancement, it now becomes 20kpa resolution

so 50kpa reported would need to be tuned for 100kpa actual
That doesn't sound like such a great plan to me. That means your already low resolution table gets its resolution cut in half yet again. Is that correct?
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yup... but keep in mind you have to do this at any table VE is referenced... not sure about the load values (If they're calculated off of the MAP value, so may have to half the resolution of spark tables and such too)
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Unfortunately we're at a loss for tuning, unlike our 99+ bretheren.

You may not like the idea, but from what people are proving with their '98s, it's working and providing a fine solution for the time being.

Shall I show you what years of 10:1 A/F due to a maxed MAF does to pistons?
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wow!! talk about overload... maybe reading it another 10 times ill make more sense of it
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Originally Posted by horist
yup... but keep in mind you have to do this at any table VE is referenced... not sure about the load values (If they're calculated off of the MAP value, so may have to half the resolution of spark tables and such too)
Good point Mike, thanks for the additional. I'm sure the timing thing would be pretty evident as soon as you started the car.

DarkFormula - If you drove around for years on a 10:1 A:F ratio, you've got bigger problems than your cylinder walls.
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ninobrn- This might help it make sense... Basic Speed density tuning (for forced induction apps) is done through an extended range of MAP readings (thanks to the 2-bar sensor) which read higher than the stock sensor can read. Stock sensors read from about 15kPa to 105kPa. 2-bar sensors read from 15kPa to about 200kPa, or whatever ~14psi is. So in the tuning program, instead of your VE table going from 15kPa to 105kPa, it goes from 15kPa to 200kPa, with larger steps in between each MAP range.
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Lol, I did just fine. Better rich tha lean, although the few days of 8:1 A/F before it was caught sucked
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Guess I'll stick to a 85mm LS6 maf and calibrate the table accordingly. I wonder if the LS7 MAF is any different. There's always the pro90.
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Originally Posted by Billiumss
all I was told: "Not at this time"
Generally speaking (not any particular vendor - just in general) "not at this time" is code for there are no plans to do it and there probably never will be.
Old 03-23-2006, 09:32 PM
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No support for the 98s, although they're what started the LS1 scene with the F-Bodies




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