here's how to fix rpms dipping when coming to a stop
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I feel stupid that I never tried this before. I had my idle airflow tables pretty much dead on and my ve table was damn close. But still when doing parking lot maneuvering and coming off the gas and putting the clutch in, my rpms would drop. It severely pissed me off that I could watch my rpms sit at 300 rpm and never recover while rolling and my IAC/idle trims just sat there like they didn't care. As soon as I came to a stop the IAC would jump into action, but with any speed at all it wouldn't respond. Seems to me that the idle feedback loop should kick in depending on throttle position, not speed. But enough ranting, here is the solution. You have to trick the car into using the timing to recover from rpm dips instead since the IAC won't do it for you. You can do this by making the timing at rpms below your idle (400, 600, maybe 800) higher than the timing at your idle rpm. This applies to the main and base spark tables.
For example, the stock main spark table has 19, 22, and 27 degrees of advance for 400, 600, and 800 rpm. So when you're rolling at 5 mph and the rpms dip, the lower the rpms get, the lower your timing gets. Change it to 35, 30, 25 and like magic no more dipping. Bonus: you shouldn't even need to change your idle airflow tables if you only change the timing at rpms below your idle speed.
Cliff notes: more timing below idle rpm in main and base spark tables
For example, the stock main spark table has 19, 22, and 27 degrees of advance for 400, 600, and 800 rpm. So when you're rolling at 5 mph and the rpms dip, the lower the rpms get, the lower your timing gets. Change it to 35, 30, 25 and like magic no more dipping. Bonus: you shouldn't even need to change your idle airflow tables if you only change the timing at rpms below your idle speed.
Cliff notes: more timing below idle rpm in main and base spark tables
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Good tip.
I also just discovered the Idle Timing table. (never saw this with HPT 1.7) Mine was WAY off compared to the main spark tables. So I adjusted it to be similar & now the PCM doesn't hunt anymore. I presume it was using that, the idle would go up, and then it would go to the main table when the rpm hit 1200, drop timing (& rpm) & then revert back. It was bugging the **** outta me!!!
And I had a hot idle issue that I finally resolved. The car would idle fine when cool or warm, but when hot (like at the track) it would hunt & try to die. I went into the airflow table & multiplied the cells above 140* by 1.5 & now it's fine.
Now if I can just get the initial start-up worked out....runs like a carbed car with a stuck choke, so I have to rev it to 1500 for 15 sec & then it's fine. We think we found this too, just need to download the file & see.
I also just discovered the Idle Timing table. (never saw this with HPT 1.7) Mine was WAY off compared to the main spark tables. So I adjusted it to be similar & now the PCM doesn't hunt anymore. I presume it was using that, the idle would go up, and then it would go to the main table when the rpm hit 1200, drop timing (& rpm) & then revert back. It was bugging the **** outta me!!!
And I had a hot idle issue that I finally resolved. The car would idle fine when cool or warm, but when hot (like at the track) it would hunt & try to die. I went into the airflow table & multiplied the cells above 140* by 1.5 & now it's fine.
Now if I can just get the initial start-up worked out....runs like a carbed car with a stuck choke, so I have to rev it to 1500 for 15 sec & then it's fine. We think we found this too, just need to download the file & see.
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Originally Posted by Michael55123
I couldn't get it to help me. I changed the main, and base as well, atleast I think I did. Still surges down and sometimes dies. Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by RedHardSupra
HA! good one! got any before/after logs?
does it also work for when you go P->R? i've had some cars that would dip rpms when you go quickly P->R. either doing it slowly, or stopping for a moment in N fixed it, but I'd rather know a real solution.
great find!
does it also work for when you go P->R? i've had some cars that would dip rpms when you go quickly P->R. either doing it slowly, or stopping for a moment in N fixed it, but I'd rather know a real solution.
great find!
I am still sorta fighting this on one car myself... I know EXACTLY what you are saying...
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Idle 1200 RPM. In gear and Park Idle spark is at 30*. At 800 RPM I bumped it to 34* and at 400 RPM I bumped it to 36*. Idle seems more stable at long lights and with AC on. 0 RPM 36*, also
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