PCM Diagnostics & Tuning HP Tuners | Holley | Diablo

what parameters to log using EFI live to idle better

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 05:01 PM
  #1  
ty_ty13's Avatar
Thread Starter
7 Second Club
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,558
Likes: 0
From: paducah, ky
Default what parameters to log using EFI live to idle better

i have the RR and EFI live and am looking to make my desired airflow tables correct rather than just me slapping bigger numbers in there until it worked...

right now when its warming up it tends to jump around alot high and low... then once its warm it tends to settle..... i just need help with what paremeters to use to get it going or what maps to make to copy and paste.


Thanks,

Tyler
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 05:31 PM
  #2  
TAQuickness's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (28)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,250
Likes: 1
From: Houston
Default

RAFIG and/or RAFPN
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 09:07 PM
  #3  
HumpinSS's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,059
Likes: 0
From: Waldorf, MD
Default

yup and when you plot these against the temps it will tell you exactly what you need to add or subtract from the table
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2006 | 09:17 PM
  #4  
ty_ty13's Avatar
Thread Starter
7 Second Club
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,558
Likes: 0
From: paducah, ky
Default

so what will be entered in the map.... ECT and RAFIG (im a th350)?
Reply
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 01:23 AM
  #5  
RedHardSupra's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,904
Likes: 2
From: Laurel, MD
Default

ECT is gonna be an axis, and use RAFIG as the data, make sure you got the same intervals for ECT as your car has (different model/years differ) and you're good to go
Reply
Old Nov 29, 2006 | 09:36 AM
  #6  
Billdog350's Avatar
On The Tree
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
Default

I've had success tuning the airflow as mentioned above, but also increasing the spark correction factor so that it gives the PCM more "permission" to play with the spark to maintain idle. I believe I've gone +8 and -8 on those tables and the car has a nice smooth burble to it around 1000 rpm. I have a 228/232 so our cams are quite similar even though you have a larger bore.
Reply
Old Nov 30, 2006 | 12:16 AM
  #7  
Chris81's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
From: Midland, Tx
Default

Originally Posted by Billdog350
I've had success tuning the airflow as mentioned above, but also increasing the spark correction factor so that it gives the PCM more "permission" to play with the spark to maintain idle. I believe I've gone +8 and -8 on those tables and the car has a nice smooth burble to it around 1000 rpm. I have a 228/232 so our cams are quite similar even though you have a larger bore.
Where you going -8 for overspeed and +8 for underspeed?

I've messed with these some, but now enough to have a solid gain yet.
Reply
Old Nov 30, 2006 | 08:45 AM
  #8  
jimmyblue's Avatar
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,604
Likes: 7
From: East Central Florida
Default

Dynamic Airflow (or whatever EFILive might call
it) is the airflow quantity used by the PCM for
fueling. So always good to keep that one on the
list, this is what can tell you the "happy point"
for whatever target RPM@ECT you have. The
running airflow values ought to end up looking
like the observed DynAir in the end. Looking at
the idle short & long trims can get you to the
same place and maybe quicker to start as they
(should) have done the learning for you. But if
idle is unstable then trims have to be suspect
for quality. Seeing the DynAir at a good idle
moment might be more trustworthy. And you
can get a DynAir vs RPM, closed throttle,
scatter-plot out of Excel and see the "main line"
in the cloud for a pretty good idea of what a
given RPM wants for airflow. Using your real
time controls to step IAC across the range
is a way to exercise the RPM axis in an idle-
realistic way, find the RPM you wanted and
the airflow it produced, badda-bing.

Realizing of course that as soon as you dress
down idle-range airflow model, fueling or spark
it will all change.

Look at the spark as well when you log, lot of
idle loop instability relates to short spark in the
idle spark advance tables and off-idle / onto-idle
stumbling can be from discontinuities between the
two, stepped over as you enter/exit idle mode
(TPS).

Record the injector pulse width and use the high
precision range if possible, to see any big stepping
(relatively) in the small pulse widths, how the idle
pulse width relates to various min PW clamping etc.

Fuel, air, spark is all there is. The tricky bit is,
which and why.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-3

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-7

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

 Brett Foote
story-9

10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Nov 30, 2006 | 12:56 PM
  #9  
ty_ty13's Avatar
Thread Starter
7 Second Club
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,558
Likes: 0
From: paducah, ky
Default

Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Dynamic Airflow (or whatever EFILive might call
it) is the airflow quantity used by the PCM for
fueling. So always good to keep that one on the
list, this is what can tell you the "happy point"
for whatever target RPM@ECT you have. The
running airflow values ought to end up looking
like the observed DynAir in the end. Looking at
the idle short & long trims can get you to the
same place and maybe quicker to start as they
(should) have done the learning for you. But if
idle is unstable then trims have to be suspect
for quality. Seeing the DynAir at a good idle
moment might be more trustworthy. And you
can get a DynAir vs RPM, closed throttle,
scatter-plot out of Excel and see the "main line"
in the cloud for a pretty good idea of what a
given RPM wants for airflow. Using your real
time controls to step IAC across the range
is a way to exercise the RPM axis in an idle-
realistic way, find the RPM you wanted and
the airflow it produced, badda-bing.

Realizing of course that as soon as you dress
down idle-range airflow model, fueling or spark
it will all change.

Look at the spark as well when you log, lot of
idle loop instability relates to short spark in the
idle spark advance tables and off-idle / onto-idle
stumbling can be from discontinuities between the
two, stepped over as you enter/exit idle mode
(TPS).

Record the injector pulse width and use the high
precision range if possible, to see any big stepping
(relatively) in the small pulse widths, how the idle
pulse width relates to various min PW clamping etc.

Fuel, air, spark is all there is. The tricky bit is,
which and why.
i think ya lost me
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:44 AM.

story-0
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-3
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-4
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-5
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE
story-8
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

The world was a better place when it was still around.

By Brett Foote | 2026-01-23 09:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

Slideshow: The 7.0-liter LS7 was designed for absolute cutting-edge performance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-07 18:36:00


VIEW MORE