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Knock retard above 4k??

Old 01-06-2007, 04:42 AM
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98 Camaro, G5X4 cam and pace setters only.

Fuel trims are all in order, car seems to run and drive well "except for the occasional knock retard for no reason". Problem is that it consistently pulls 3-5 degree's of knock retard out of it any time you are above the 3.6 cell. WOT runs promote a guaranteed 3-5 degree pull.

Have no idea where to look to even begin to try and correct this.

Any help would be appreciated!
Old 01-06-2007, 05:51 AM
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What are you using? There are many reasons for the PCM to remove spark. Both Efi live & HPTuners have various pids to log to find where the retard is coming from.
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Old 01-06-2007, 03:11 PM
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A. 98's are notorious for having false knock...wonder if that alone is your issue.
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Do you have a wideband on it? Is is tuned?
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Yes, car was tuned on the dyno by LG.... But does not have a wideband currently.


False knock??

What should the "tip in tps" knock retard settings be close too? They are currently in the 7.0-9.0 range.

That seems low to me, because the same ranges on my pickup are 13.0's across the board.

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Still "retarding"
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how much timing are you seeing at WOT until it knocks? You could try swapping in a set of TR6's.
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Nothing above normal really, maybe 22-23 at the most.

We even locked the timing out at 15 degree's and it STILL did it.
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First thing first. Determine if it is real knock or false knock! Either tickle it with race gas or set the timing over 3600 rpms to a value that should knock. Something like 16 degrees across the boards,which you did! Sounds like its false knock. I would still race gas it and back it up even further.

Like foff stated; 98's are notorious for this.
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false knock if its knocking on that low of timing, does your exhaust bang at all? I had the same problem.
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Well.... If it is in fact, "false knock" which i'm now almost absolutly sure it is..... WTF do yo do about it?

Just ignore it? Kinda bothers me seeing it keep popping up on the histogram.
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yeah need a response to sneaky's last post....
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not 100% sure but I would guess

1 fix what ever is banging and making the knock
2 adjust the false knock on hpt, make it less sensitive
3 make sure your knock sensor is not bad


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