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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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I was looking at my HPT scan and saw that my dynamic airflow (SD tuning) peaked at 512 g/sec and stayed flat from 5300 to 7200. Is there something in the editor that is limiting this or is it just the limits of the ECU?
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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its the computer! you can buy a larger maf and rescale
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that just means your logging maf, but why you would be logging maf when your running a 2 bar SD operating system? But yes there is an internal limit of 512g/sec which is why most people recommend going SD once you hit this limit



PS-delete the PID otherwise it can skew your readings.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 03:57 PM
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So it is just an estimation of airflow and not calculated?
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you can tune the ve too!
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So it is just an estimation of airflow and not calculated?
no its the max value the pcm can read so once you hit that point it just flatlines.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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Is it true that dynamic airflow is not really used in the custom
SD OSes? If so what can you look at, for airflow value instead?
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 12:16 AM
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its the computer! you can buy a larger maf and rescale
OK, this is for my T/A. I intend to install a D1SC kit with full exhaust system. I also have a SLP 85mm MAF sensor. I am only looking for 7-9psi of boost. Which sensor would work better and how does I go about adjusting the calibration for the larger MAF sensor?
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Originally Posted by Gold Phoenix
OK, this is for my T/A. I intend to install a D1SC kit with full exhaust system. I also have a SLP 85mm MAF sensor. I am only looking for 7-9psi of boost. Which sensor would work better and how does I go about adjusting the calibration for the larger MAF sensor?
Don't! You need to use the 2-BAR OS to take full advantage of your setup, since you are going to be pushing 7-9psi.
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Old Aug 3, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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OK, I am not wanting to go SD on the T/A as of yet. I am only look to make 450-500whp with the D1SC and full exhaust system. I will seriously think about it when I replace the motor with forged internals.
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Originally Posted by bigtymn
its the computer! you can buy a larger maf and rescale
?? rescale what? Airflow will still max at 512g/sec its a PCM limitation on the 99+ LSx ECM's (0411 model from memory) You can rescale your MAP sensor for FI installs with a 2bar+ sensor, but not the MAF. Its going to pump out the same frequency whatever happens and never see more than 512g/sec


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Is it true that dynamic airflow is not really used in the custom
SD OSes? If so what can you look at, for airflow value instead?
Actually there is a calculated airflow measured in g/sec the same as MAF for SD, efilive has a custom pid to show it to you.
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Old Aug 4, 2007 | 09:35 AM
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?? rescale what? Airflow will still max at 512g/sec its a PCM limitation on the 99+ LSx ECM's (0411 model from memory) You can rescale your MAP sensor for FI installs with a 2bar+ sensor, but not the MAF. Its going to pump out the same frequency whatever happens and never see more than 512g/sec
Right, you'd have to trick the pcm by telling it that both the maf and the injectors are smaller than they really are by the same percentage.
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Old Aug 4, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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10 4 .. but surely..

Still no good for Strokers, Max NA or FI as you will lose resolution when frequency is maxed out. Which will still happen around 450rwhp!?
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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i read how to rescale out of an advanced fuel injection book for gm's
it is posible the maf is only used to calculate load similar to a map on a sd tune
therefore you may cali brate it how ever you want
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:43 AM
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You will have to recalibrate the MAF so it doesnt read 12Khz when airflow is over 440g/sec otherwise its pointless. So you need a MAF that allows this. Its not a ECM only job. Sounds like a lot of work when a much easier answer is just to run Speed density doesn't it!?
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