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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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I'm going to be putting 3.73 gears in my 2.73 car, as well as changing everything in the PCM. My question is this...

Do I simply need to change the gear ratio in that section? Will I need to scale the shift point charts as well, or will tunercat do that automatically when I enter the new ratio?

I would also imagine that I will have to do something to the trans. tables to get lockup and everything correct.

Could somebody go over each table or section that needs to be modified after a gear swap?
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 11:02 AM
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After a gear swap, no other tables should need to be changed.
It is when you change the stall that you must start fooling with those other tables.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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The shift points are all in the tables as MPH values. Will those automatically be scaled and adjusted when the new ratio is entered?

EDIT: Hell, I guess I can get on the software and see for myself.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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I just toyed with it a bit. The shift point MPHs do not change when the new ratio is entered. At WOT, the table shows 48 MPH for the 1-2 shift. When I have 3.73s, it'll need to be much lower. Apparently those tables will need to be scaled down.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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I just watched a guy tune in a new set of gears using tunercat this weekend. While I don't know all tables that he touched, there were a significant amount. I know for a fact that he modified the shift points and lockup.
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In LT1Edit (not that it is the same for you, since you did not say what software you were using) there are two tables. One is rpm. One is mph. Depending on which it is listening to, it will shift according to that table.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by koolaid_kid
In LT1Edit (not that it is the same for you, since you did not say what software you were using) there are two tables. One is rpm. One is mph. Depending on which it is listening to, it will shift according to that table.
Well this is not entirely true, The shift points consist of BOTH RPM and MPH, there is a threshold where either or must be within a certain percent of each other or else you will bang off the rev limiter...At times maybe you can only adjust possibly one parameter, but usually you need to adjust both...
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I just watched a guy tune in a new set of gears using tunercat this weekend. While I don't know all tables that he touched, there were a significant amount. I know for a fact that he modified the shift points and lockup.
That's what I figured. The shift points should be easy, as the entire table can be scaled by an amount. I just flat out don't know at this point what to play with for lockup.
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It seems that he scaled the lockup as well, although I didn't get a good look at it due to his laptop getting low on battery and needing to finish up quick. I'll shoot him an email today and see if he can explain what he was doing.
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That would be really awesome if you could get that info. I'm thinking it will be pretty simple though when I actually get around to needing to do it.
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2.73/3.73 = .7319034
Scale every shift table, WOT (norrmal, hot, cold kickdown) and part throttle (normal, performance, manual, cruise) , and every TCC table (normal, manual, hot, performance, cruise) by that amount.
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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Outstanding. That's kind of the thoughts that I had, I just didn't want to do anything without confirmation. Thanks a lot.
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Yes, you need to scale all the trans tables, if you are using Tunercat after setting up the speedo settings. I manually generate the values and then adjust them based upon my GPS readings. The trans will shift based upon engine rpm AND vehicle speed.

BTW, I was the guy at the Kansas City Camaro Nat's this past weekend, tuning the LS2 '69 Convertible Camaro. The previous "Professional Tuner" did not scale ANY of the trans tables for the 3.5 gears. He used a 4.1 gear file and it was a mess.
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