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Old 03-30-2005, 01:05 PM
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Let's see . . . a 4th-gen interior, 4th-gen powertrain, throw away the brakes (one of the good things about the '79's, if you've got WS-6).

Why not just start with a 4th-gen car? You'll save weight in the process!

I love my 30th anniversary T/A, and I don't mean to upset any LS1 guys, but a car that heavy probably benefits more from the torque of the 400. And the extra weight and higher c/d of that car means you'll never quite match the highway fuel economy of a 4th-gen, even with an LS1.

Those are great looking cars, and I think the interior was actually cooler than on the 4th-gen cars. Since my '79 was a Special Edition, I had the gold-tinted turned aluminum on the cluster bezel. I got rid of that goofy 100 mph speedometer and swapped in a 160-mph speedo from an earlier model. That car had the coolest interior of any car I've ever owned. I can see restoring the original interior (almost all the parts are available, by the way), but I can't see how a 4th-gen interior would be an "upgrade."
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to each his own.
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Doesn't the 403 have bad oil problems while cornering? I dont remember where I heard that, but I did.
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Originally Posted by NateLS1
Doesn't the 403 have bad oil problems while cornering? I dont remember where I heard that, but I did.
I don't know about the 403 (Olds) motor, but I had to add a baffled pan to my 400 (Pontiac) motor because I often uncovered the oil pick-up in hard cornering. It really wakes you up when you see "0" oil pressure at 4,000 rpm.
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Originally Posted by kuhlryde
to each his own.

yup. If I had the place to work on it & another ride, my bird would've had the 400/400 from my 76 Bonnie.
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I have decided against my previous plan. I traded my 4th gen seats for a set out of a 1996 Acura Integra. I have decided to try something new. I am replacing the stock spoiler with an aluminum double wing spoiler and I think I will try and adapt a Ford Racing 392ci GT-40 engine to a Ford Racing Tremec 5 speed in my car. I really like the looks of the 2nd gen Trans Ams but enjoy the Ford engines. I have a buddy with one that is going to sell to me cheap. Now I just have to figure out how to get it to fit.
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The GT-40 arrived yesterday!

Can't WAIT to pull the original and get the new one in.
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^^ You jsut want to go to f*rd & Poncho car sows, dontcha?

Figuring out how to get it to fit shouldn't be anymore difficult than getting a 95 3800 Series II to fit where a dead 2.8 used to be. It's the rewiring that's the bitch.
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Originally Posted by kuhlryde
I have decided against my previous plan. I traded my 4th gen seats for a set out of a 1996 Acura Integra. I have decided to try something new. I am replacing the stock spoiler with an aluminum double wing spoiler and I think I will try and adapt a Ford Racing 392ci GT-40 engine to a Ford Racing Tremec 5 speed in my car. I really like the looks of the 2nd gen Trans Ams but enjoy the Ford engines. I have a buddy with one that is going to sell to me cheap. Now I just have to figure out how to get it to fit.
Hey Kuhlryde, I'm thinking about yanking the tired 5.0 in my Mustang and replacing it with a Briggs and Stratton Jr. Dragster motor. I've figured out the motor mounts, but the electrical system's a bitch. Got any ideas?
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^^^^ I have an extra K&N for that swap. mad tork, yo!!!!1111111111111!!
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Go for the 454 - Cheaper parts!
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Originally Posted by WannaZ28
trying to get a 79-81 TA. thinking of these motors to drop in:

454 BB chevy
403 pontiac
455 SD pontiac

any suggestions? i know the potential of the 455, but unsure of its block reliability, and am not sure if it can fit in (since those years no 455 was made). lookin to acheive 1.2 hp/cub
I'd go with a 400 pontiac. 400s are easy to find and will fit better then a 454. I was looking for a 455 locally and could not find one. Check out Butler Performance and pick up a High Performance Pontiac.
Stay away from Ford and Briggs engines!
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I built a 400 pontiac fo my 78 T/A, I punched it .060, used some of speed pro's forged pistons, crane energizer camshaft, edelbrock intake, roller rockers, comp pushrods, 3 angle valve job,aluminum flex fan, sealed power valves 2.11 intake, 1.96 exhaust, and stuck a holley 850 mech. secondaries, no choke, and headers, I have yet to get on it or really drive it, but it sounds really strong, and has excellent throttle response. I am preparing to get a 3800 stall, and some 4:56 gears so I can hit up the local 1/8 mile track, but the 400 is a very common block and is easy to find parts for. But I ran into a problem with motor mounts, my 400 came ot of a 1968 car, and the bolt pattern on the block changed by 1978, so I had to modify the mounts, that is one problem you may run into, but it is easy to fix if you have access to a welder, and some scrap metal. Good luck with your build, can't wait to hear how it turns out!

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