His whole point was to show me how he could kick the goats *** so i do not believe at that point he would just run 140mph and just let me go by do you..........(NOT!!!!)

 

Then, he just wasn't a very good driver. Don't get me wrong, as I said, I really love the GTO. If I wanted another Vette, I would have one! I am strictly talking about the numbers. If he knew what he was doing and really wanted to play the numbers just do not bear out the results. Regardless, appreciate the story, appreciate your liking the GTO (agree with you). HHMMM, wonder if anyone has tracked down a CTS V on the road and how that went.................

 

Well lets talk old musle cars then. Not saying it would happen every time but 90% of the time. I own a 1969 Chevelle SS 396(3825lbs) and a good friend of mine owns a 1969 camaro 396(3375lbs) that we take out every now and then to the local 1/4 mile, and the gear ratio's same, and i can pretty much beat him every time. Now he probably out weighs me about 80lbs that can be added to the weight difference. So tell me how is that happening since you are saying that the weight difference would not let the little goat kick the bad little vette's ***??? Oh, and thats 530lbs weight difference.

 

Well lets talk old musle cars then. Not saying it would happen every time but 90% of the time. I own a 1969 Chevelle SS 396(3825lbs) and a good friend of mine owns a 1969 camaro 396(3375lbs) that we take out every now and then to the local 1/4 mile, and the gear ratio's same, and i can pretty much beat him every time. Now he probably out weighs me about 80lbs that can be added to the weight difference. So tell me how is that happening since you are saying that the weight difference would not let the little goat kick the bad little vette's ***??? Oh, and thats 530lbs weight difference

 

R-rrrrrrrr

 

Wonderful story................ I expressed my opinion and you expressed yours. That's why they call them opinions. No one wins or loses. And, certainly not worth any more of at least my time in an opinion-based, debate.

 

Not saying one way or the other, but could the rear end gears have played a factor here. The GTO's come stock with 3.46 gears whereas an A4 Vette would come stock with, I believe, 2.73 gears.

 

On a high speed roll the 2.73's would be an advantage.

 

I own a '98 C5 'vert A4 and a '04 GTO M6, both cars with the same mods, CAI and Catback.

So I have the almost slowest possible C5 ever made, its an A4 'vert, except I have the 3.15 gear. But one thing for certain, the vette pulls much stronger in triple digits and flat out hauls ***, the GTO can probably take my C5 up to about 80 but then the GTO gets tired from being excessively heavy with bad aerodynamics. That C5 driver either didnt feel brave enough to drive it at full throttle at those speeds or just didnt know how to drive. But still a good story.

 

Its ssssooooo odd how there is always an excuse of why it did or it didn't. I would be willing to bet that if I had posted a story that how bad I tore a GTO's *** up with a 2003 vette there would be all kinds of responses of how I couldn't have done it. Its funny how you can just say white to some people and right away say black. Anyway just told how it happened and as long as I'm happy with the turn out I guess thats all that matters. Sorry if I hurt you vette guys feelings..........No... wait a min... No i'm not!!!!

 

Oh good GOD!! This is almost as bad as M3 vs GTO.

to quote our favorite import guru "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile...winnin' is winnin'!! yo diddly oh doh!

If the 'Vette wasn't really "in it" then that's his dumbass mistake.

And, I don't know how reliable this info is as I heard a long time ago. Top end speed has very little to do with wieght. It's all about Horsepower, aerodynamics and gearing. And, probably the age of the motors running against each other.

 

I wacked a c5 down the 1320 last week.

 

good to hear a possitive response. never heard of so many people that probably doesn't know how to change their own oil that think they know so much about cars. I think you'll love your manual. They are alot of fun. GOOD LUCK!!!

 

wheatman, alot of variables that is how you beat him. Compression ratio? cam? torque convertor? traction? tire conditions? is the combo tuned? what type of fuel is in it? driver experience? etc..ad naseum
396 vs 396 means nothing . It's simple physics, same power and more weight means slower.
More weight if properly placed could mean better traction in the quarter, but top end its still like going 1.5 lungs to 2 lungs, if you get my drift.

 

Which is it? Is it "my cousin owns a 03" or "his plate read MIKE 03"?

 

Yo diddly!!

 

l live in burbank also check out my site kilgoretrans.com

 

WHAT kind of WHEAT SMOKE were you on?

 

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My point exactly. The weight difference would come into play more in the 1/4 mile than it would top end. But the 69's have the original motors (396-350hp) which only came in the chevelle's, camaro's, and the nova's that particular year and both are in stock form, cam, compression, posi, same tire's, same fuel. The only thing we have done to modify anything is that we both have a 2500 stall. We both leave the line pretty much even until we hit the halfway mark then i start pulling him the rest of the way. And the experience thing you are speaking of .........halfway down the 1/4, petal to the floor.......don't see where experience would come into play at that point. (IF YOU GET MY DRIFT!!!). The story at hand is not the musle cars, was using them as a example to another comment made earlier. But it looks like your little story kinda contradicts itself. In one sentence you state (alot of variables that is how you beat him.) and in the next you go on to say (It's simple physics, same power and more weight means slower.) so which is it. I hope you would know that you can have the same exact motors, which in this case is the 396 vs. 396 and with nothing done to either, but one is going to run a little bit better that the other and in some cases alot better. Its only common sense that one motor is going to have more power than the other not the same power that you speak of. Anyway nice try.

 

ring seal? valve seals? etc etc.. ALOT of variables as I stated above. There is no such thing as two same engines/ much less exact same cars. You can profess that your car and your buddies are the same, but you would be wrong. What is his timing versus yours. Is his effective drive ratio higher or lower then yours? Do his rings seal as well as yours? Is his carb optimally tuned for the lighter car? What are the tire pressures? How does his 60 foot compare to yours? even silly things like more bends in the fuel line can make a difference in et.
A lighter car can be at a disadvantage when it comes to traction and et, also. As far as halfway down the 1/4 nonsense, I would think that you would know that drag races are usually won in the first 60 feet. Every combo is different and unless the engines were built with swiss precision by the same person using the same parts, they will run different. That is why you will see ls-1's that go 13.5's and others go low 13's.
If there were not minute differences then we would all know what and ls-1 ta runs on the button and everyone would turn that in the 1/4. I am not understanding the point you are trying to make with my big bad chevelle kicks my buddies lighter camaro ***. If you want me to tell you the new gto can beat the vette, I will, but it will be a partial truth.
It doesn't matter what the car is, given the approximate same horsepower and driver skills, the lighter car always wins. PERIOD
IMHO what determines who wins is driver skill.
Top end mph is also a function of drag coefficient, ie aerodynamics. Guess what.. the firebird,camaro and corvette have the new gto beat there too.
To illustrate a point in regards to weight..if I give you a 30 lbs weight and tell you to run a given distance, you will run slower then if you didn't carry the 30lb weight. Now imagine if I gave you a 100lb weight.
If you don't understand then do some research on the net or better yet call Jim Force or the Nascar guys and fill them in on how you can get a car that is 600 lbs heavier to go faster then a lighter one. You will be rich, I guarantee it.
Hey maybe the vette you ran was running on 7 cylinders...just an idea
BTW I am not disputing your story, as it may have happened as you put it.
But don't expect it to happen again if the guy in the vette knows what he is doing.