m8d2run

they probably made some true 5.0 motors, BUT at some point they were caught.........you can round up as long as you are in the required specs. ford wasn't. i know this because as i say it was a big thing back then i was in the army and we would talk **** to the mustang boys.

BlueSix

So you can't prove your fairy tale?

m8d2run

its been proven you just don't know where too look. next subject

CMNTMXR57

The looks thing of the '04 vs. '05 is a matter of debate.

I'm glad I got my '04 without the tacky hood scoops, optional SAP package(which can be put on the '04) and red PBR brake calipers. The only thing I like on the '05's is the split rear exhaust.

I like clean and uncluttered lines, this is part of the reason why I chose a plain jane Z28 over a flashier SS or WS6.

CMNTMXR57

This covers both you and Rollin.

Just because it has heads and cam doesn't mean it's a monster. I've seen plenty of LS1 F-Bodies with heads and cam packages putting down only 350, 360, 370 rwhp. Certain engines respond differently than others.

Conversely the same is true with GTO's. With the GTO being at a weight penalty from the get go, in order to make my ’04 as quick as my Z28 with just over 400rwhp, I’d need 420 – 430 to compensate for the extra 300 pounds it’s lugging around. FWIW, my Z28 weighs 3,460lbs, my GTO weighs 3,760lbs.


I’ve raced several other F-Body’s with my stock heads and cammed GTO and beat a few, lost a few, but the margin of victory or loss was never more than a car length. So with heads and cam, I’d have raped those same F-Body’s. You guys seem to forget that driver also plays a critical role into things too!



At the end of the day, you could run an F14 Tomcat and if you only beat him by ½ a car length, you beat him by half a car length. Who cares what’s “done to it!”

beetle6986

You really have no idea what your talking about, do you? You should listen to BlueSix. He is 100% correct. All mustang GTs in the 80s were 5.0s (302 ci). 95% of your chevy enthusiast will also know this. There was no problem with the engine size stated by FORD. You confused!

w02ramair

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Bring it on. The damn 05 GTo isn't that damn fast. Ya'll act like it is the greatest damn thing since sliced bread. Yea I like the GTO, I might even trade my 02 WS6 in on one, but damn. IT isn't slow. On street tires I bust off 12.8's, I have seen for my self a 05 GTO at the track on fuggin MT's bust off 12.9. That is not equal in my book. Two seperate cars with their own seperate qualities. Damn, bunch of haters in here.

wrench

I'm a 04 GTO owner and seriously thinking about trading it in for a 02 TA. Don't get me wrong, GTO is a very good car, but there's something about the TA thats drawing me to it.

BlueSix

That's great, your lid/exhaust WS6 is going 12.8 in your roommate's hands (according to your sig). Seems that's about about what the '05's are running bone stock with a good driver. Hmmm, high 12's stock, a nice quiet interior, smooth ride, nice seats....what more can you ask for?

~JOSHUA

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What more could I ask for? How about a Yamaha R6.

BlueSix

Got one of those too.

TORNATIC!!

Your SS is faster than an '04 GTO stock for stock so you winning is expected.

lil2liter

I raced a Black ram air Trans Am at the track this weekend. it was a 2001, I'm 95% sure it was a WS6 it was an M6. I have a 2004 GTO with an M6 only mod is a Home made air intake. The TransAM had slp intake and slp exhaust. The track was empty. We did Three consecutive runs with virtually no waiting in the Staging area. Island Dragway NJ. Here are the results of the three races

Race #1 T/A..........GTO Apr. 22, 2005 9:31pm GTO Wins
60' ........2.184......2.103
330........5.914......5.741
1/8.........8.902.....8.730
mph........83.00.....82.82
1000.......11.420....11.292
1/4.........13.570....13.462
mph........105.27.....104.15

Race #2 T/A.........GTO Apr. 22, 2005 9:34pm Trans AM Wins
60'..........2.215......2.090
330.........5.873......5.763
1/8.........8.814.......8.778
mph........84.12.......82.05
1000.......11.310.....11.366
1/4.........13.442.....13.558
mph........105.96.....103.4

Race #3 T/A..........GTO Apr. 22, 2005 9:40pm GTO Wins
60'..........2.203.......2.019
330.........5.892.......5.762
1/8..........8.919.......8.824
mph.........79.78.......80.80
1000........11.508......11.446
1/4..........13.677......13.661
mph ........103.99.......101.94

Cool guy. He was surprised at my 60' time. He had a licnse plate that said something to the order of F-body boys or something like that. Cool guy! I think we both had a lot of fun.
So I won 2 and he won 1. My 60' times where better. But his 1/4 traps where all better than mine. We where both on street tires. Island is a Notoriously tough track to get a decent 60' time on street tires. If the Trans could of matched my 60' times he would have won all three. I admit a Trans Am ws6 is probably faster than My 2004 goat. But not sure if its faster than an O5 goat.
Just be carefully if you think an 04 goat is a high 13 second machine. Driven correctly it can produce dencent times for being so fat. I'm Not saying an 04 GTO is faster than a Ram Air Trans Am. I have no Idea what they normally run and what they Normally run at Island Dragway. Although Island Dragway is notorious for being .3 to .4 tenths slower than E-town or Atco. Its so tough to hook up. So little off the line traction. Either way both cars are cool so either one you get is cool. Although the GTO is alot less likely to get a speeding ticket..............Stealthy

m8d2run

you guys don't remember it because you were to young. you would know this if you knew what you were talking about.

beetle6986

I never said how old I was. This is all something you dreamed up. Otherwise you could easily find a internet site that references the problem. Bluesix gave you the specifications that prove you wrong and you still argued with him. 302 ci = 4.95 liter rounded up to 5.0. Very simple to understand as you can see.

BlueSix

OK, i'll concede this one.....the "5.0" was only 301.44 CI, and that's only 4941 CC, so technically it should round down to a 4.9L. But that isn't new news to me either, i've known it all along

beetle6986

I've never heard the 301.44 figure. But either way, 4.6 and 5.0 is more than a couple ci difference (not that a half a liter makes much of a difference anyways).

BlueSix

I agree completely, i was being more of a smart ***. it's always been called a 302, but if you do the math, with the 4" bore and 3" stroke it comes out to 301.44. But it's close enough to 302 in my book.....speaking of 302's....my ranger should be getting one by the end of this year.

Schwindj

I agree that for a smooth ride and sedate looks the gto is all you will every need, but I want the true muscle car feel from my car, harsh ride, loud exhaust and looks that would kill. so if I had to choose WS6 all the way.

YlwGTO4m3

Find a faster car with the amenities for 32k. You won't. Your track times are track and driver dependent. I have seen retards in Z06's run 12.8's and 12.9's at the track so whoopy. Is your TA as fast as a Z06? NO. bottom line is ls2 > ls1. that's not hateration just the facts.