How good are f-bodies on a track?
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Set up well camaros ar pretty good. Plus capitalizing on mistakes of others really makes you like a boss. Car is fast and it brakes quite well, but it will never turn like a vette or GT3. But it is fun car to drive.
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Mine drove like it was on rails as well. I took it to the Nurburgring. My only handicap were my tires and inexperience of the track.
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The Yellow C6 Z06 was the only car of this bunch that could run with me or faster. Not even the 5th Gen you see in the back which had a Supercharger on it. The silver camaro, is my son's car and he didn't have 411's in the car he may could have done better on the high speed sections. Surpized a lot of folks that day. Granted this was only an HPDE2 day, but there were some nice cars there. This is VIR FWIW.
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I'm looking to do my first track event on current setup at Willow Springs next month. Currently running stock brakes/heavy chrome Zr1 wheels/Nitto NT-05. I know I will need to upgrade my pads and fluid at the very least. What would you recommend? noise and dust not being a factor at all. Car sees the street every other weekend and I doubt I'll hear brakes over the cutout.
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Something others haven't mentioned is to be careful on long lefthand sweepers with the LSx motors. Too long at high G's causes the oil pickup to be uncovered. I've seen specific graphs showing that in long lefthand sweepers, LS3 blocks have oil pressure problems when at >1G for more than 4s.
While I haven't open tracked my car, my understanding is that dry sump > Accusump > Improved Racing baffles to reduce that problem. There are some who like to drill the lifter trays because apparently even some Vette's with dry sumps have lost engines as a result. Perhaps if you stay on street rubber you'll be fine?
While I haven't open tracked my car, my understanding is that dry sump > Accusump > Improved Racing baffles to reduce that problem. There are some who like to drill the lifter trays because apparently even some Vette's with dry sumps have lost engines as a result. Perhaps if you stay on street rubber you'll be fine?
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Something others haven't mentioned is to be careful on long lefthand sweepers with the LSx motors. Too long at high G's causes the oil pickup to be uncovered. I've seen specific graphs showing that in long lefthand sweepers, LS3 blocks have oil pressure problems when at >1G for more than 4s.
While I haven't open tracked my car, my understanding is that dry sump > Accusump > Improved Racing baffles to reduce that problem. There are some who like to drill the lifter trays because apparently even some Vette's with dry sumps have lost engines as a result. Perhaps if you stay on street rubber you'll be fine?
While I haven't open tracked my car, my understanding is that dry sump > Accusump > Improved Racing baffles to reduce that problem. There are some who like to drill the lifter trays because apparently even some Vette's with dry sumps have lost engines as a result. Perhaps if you stay on street rubber you'll be fine?
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Hopefully this will prove inspiring: The car in the picture below played leapfrog with a Z06 and a 911 S2 during a recent HPDE at Road America. Braking issues forced slower than desired corner entries, and carb tuning made exits a bit pokey, otherwise it would have embarrassed quite a few people. But the car still has a solid rear axle and cornered like it was on rails. The Global West suspension no doubt helped.
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I'm estimating 3175-3200 with me in it. This is a factory non-AC car (3455 starting weight) with the following weight reductions:
Further dieting will be VERY expensive (subframe, steering rack, etc), but some will be quite necessary (seats). A roll cage addition this winter will add a fair bit of weight.
Not of my car, unfortunately, but here are others that were at the same event. There was a pro photographer present. I won the "most colorful car" award
The guy in the blue 5th gen has his nose taped on for a reason: he kissed the wall during the HPDE. But, a few guys there helped him get it buttoned back together for the second day of racing. Talk about nice, and he was a real trooper too.
- Lexan glass all around (saved 50 pounds)
- 'glass hood and trunk lid (saved 100 pounds)
- aluminum front bumper and mounts (saved 40 pounds)
- plastic/aluminum radiator (saved 15 pounds)
- LS1 replacing SB 305 (@125 pounds, depending on who's doing the weighing
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- T56 + light flywheel and clutch replacing TH350 and TQ converter (50 pounds)
- Wilwood Dynalite front brakes (saved 40 pounds, unsprung)
- Aluminum drive shaft (saved 20 pounds)
- Wilwood manual brake master cylinder (saved 10 pounds)
- LTH + new exhaust (saved 30 pounds)
Further dieting will be VERY expensive (subframe, steering rack, etc), but some will be quite necessary (seats). A roll cage addition this winter will add a fair bit of weight.
Not of my car, unfortunately, but here are others that were at the same event. There was a pro photographer present. I won the "most colorful car" award
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Not of my car, unfortunately, but here are others that were at the same event. There was a pro photographer present. I won the "most colorful car" award
The guy in the blue 5th gen has his nose taped on for a reason: he kissed the wall during the HPDE. But, a few guys there helped him get it buttoned back together for the second day of racing. Talk about nice, and he was a real trooper too.
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Great pictures guys. Question. I need to replace my rear LCA bushings and am thinking of replacing the whole assembly. Question is should I get adjustable, non-adjustable, or juat replace the stock bushings?
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I have been auto xing for three years now started in a 98 z28 auto sold it and got an 01 z28 manuel. they are def fat girls but with the right suspension they are a blast. I have tried multiple set ups and bought double even triple of some parts just to get the right set up and fell for me. But once you get her dialed in she's a beast to say the least. But before you hit the track i would def through on shocks and springs at a min if you dont you well spend more time side ways than anything pending on how hard you push it. check out strano web site or give him a call. http://www.stranoparts.com/
i would go with the brembo rotors yea they are pricey but they work great with the right pads
i would go with the brembo rotors yea they are pricey but they work great with the right pads
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This is what I wanted to see. I'd like to start Autocross once I get a Camaro, mainly because I don't want to lose my license because of driving too fast on a road, and Nassau Coliseum's parking lots seem big enough for me to be able to avoid a bad crash!
I've never really thought about quarter mile stuff, but maybe I'll give it a go. My friend showing me his twisted in half driveshaft doesn't give me much encouragement in that at the moment though...
I love the English plates on there. Never saw a Camaro while growing up though... That must've been great to take it over to the ring though.
I've never really thought about quarter mile stuff, but maybe I'll give it a go. My friend showing me his twisted in half driveshaft doesn't give me much encouragement in that at the moment though...
Mine drove like it was on rails as well. I took it to the Nurburgring. My only handicap were my tires and inexperience of the track.
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That is a sweet looking Camaro, btw.
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If putting a roll cage in a unibody car, consider tieing the door bars into the rocker panel / door sill area. The reason is that on some cars this is the only area (that the roll cage can reach) that truly has the strength to take downward forces. Of course, chassis stiffness could also benefit.
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After the economy kicked my home building biz in the nads I had to sell a couple of 1st gen camaros that did very well on the rr. A few years ago I decided to get back into it, but not much of a budget. My son and I picked up an 02 SS with a salvage title for $6k. Although body work and paint were very subpar, the mechanicals were sound.
After 10 minutes on the first session and a clutch pedal stuck, we found out how important it was to completely flush the clutch fluid and replace it and the brake fluid with dot 4 stuff. We too have had lots of input from Sam Strano and have bought several parts that have made big improvements, including his bigger sway bars, and bushings. I found a deal on some used bilstiens shocks and also found some deals on 6litreeater website for better brakes. Having a set of rims and using NT01 tires just for the track makes a huge improvement also.
I bought an 07 Z06 and although it was faster, I would not drive it like I would the much cheaper camaro, hence I could turn in faster laps in the ss. Just the predictable slide with the solid axle in the camaro vs the snap oversteer that sent the Z rotating without warning was enough to have me change my underwear. I since sold the Z and am in the process of dropping in a 650hp LS3. Even with the LS3 I am around $15,000 into the camaro vs the $40,000 I would be with the Z and just that thought kept me from driving it like I do with the camaro. And I KNOW what it's rear end is going to do.
After 10 minutes on the first session and a clutch pedal stuck, we found out how important it was to completely flush the clutch fluid and replace it and the brake fluid with dot 4 stuff. We too have had lots of input from Sam Strano and have bought several parts that have made big improvements, including his bigger sway bars, and bushings. I found a deal on some used bilstiens shocks and also found some deals on 6litreeater website for better brakes. Having a set of rims and using NT01 tires just for the track makes a huge improvement also.
I bought an 07 Z06 and although it was faster, I would not drive it like I would the much cheaper camaro, hence I could turn in faster laps in the ss. Just the predictable slide with the solid axle in the camaro vs the snap oversteer that sent the Z rotating without warning was enough to have me change my underwear. I since sold the Z and am in the process of dropping in a 650hp LS3. Even with the LS3 I am around $15,000 into the camaro vs the $40,000 I would be with the Z and just that thought kept me from driving it like I do with the camaro. And I KNOW what it's rear end is going to do.
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I bought an 07 Z06 and although it was faster, I would not drive it like I would the much cheaper camaro, hence I could turn in faster laps in the ss. Just the predictable slide with the solid axle in the camaro vs the snap oversteer that sent the Z rotating without warning was enough to have me change my underwear. I since sold the Z and am in the process of dropping in a 650hp LS3. Even with the LS3 I am around $15,000 into the camaro vs the $40,000 I would be with the Z and just that thought kept me from driving it like I do with the camaro. And I KNOW what it's rear end is going to do.
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Absolutely!! Add to that, if you have driven a solid axle car for quite a while that is somewhat predictable with how and when the rear end moves its one thing. Take a 500hp Z that likes to swap ends rather quickly if pushed hard and on street tires and is holding a large part of your retirement funds...I know it slowed me significantly.