Stop drilling those TBs, fix stalling without computer tuning...
#1
Stop drilling those TBs, fix stalling without computer tuning...
I was determined to fix my stalling without computer tuning or drilling, and after scouring many threads (too many) I pieced together a solution to idle problems after a cam install. This should probably NOT be used to raise your idle above the target idle speed. What I am posting below is what I have done on my 98 LS1 M6 with a Hotcam, other PCMs may (but probably won't) react differently.
The issue is that your vehicle becomes dependant on your IAC to maintain enough idle speed for your vehicle to run after you install a cam. Why? I have no idea...less vacuum at idle I guess. Since your IAC is working so hard to keep you idling, sometimes your idle will dip based on computer variables that are far too complicated for me to care about when my car won't idle right. Drilling the throttle body takes up some of the slack for the IAC and prevents the idle from dipping so much. Overdrilling causes excessive idle speed. But drilling is a sloppy way to adjust something that can be done with the set screw on the throttle body.
Instead of drilling use the set screw on your throttle body, and here is how:
1) Hookup Autotap or your diagnostic tool of choice. You will want to monitor your IAC, Idle Speed (and desired idle speed if you don't know it), and your Throttle Position.
2) With the key in the ON position, adjust your tb set screw until your Throttle Position is 2-3%. You can do this all at once, or gradually in 1% increments if you like. (I started with +3% and ended up adding another +1%).
3) Turn your key to the OFF position.
4) Unplug your Throttle Position sensor.
5) Turn your key to the ON position for a few seconds, and then OFF again.
6) Plug in the TPS (don't know why nobody caught me forgetting that step) and then turn your key to the ON position and restart Autotap. Your Throttle Position will now be reset to 0 degrees (or really close like 0.4%, the point is it is now reset).
7) Start your engine. Autotap is unable to pull IAC counts from my computer, but you can watch the Idle Air Control Airflow in grams/sec. A stock vehicle should show about 20 grams/sec, and that should probably be your target. I overdid it a little myself with the extra 1% to reduce the amount of control the IAC valve has over my idle. My grams/sec is between 5-10.
I wish I had measured the IAC airflow before the change, but I just wanted to get the thing to idle better. You will probably see much much more than 20 grams/sec if you Autotap it before the adjustment.
Basically the point is that you CAN adjust your throttle body with the set screw withough messing up your Throttle Position reading. WOT will still be between 99-100% (perfectly normal). And you will now have an idle that doesn't go too low. If any of you guys have anything to add to this, please do...or if I have made some error in doing this.
The issue is that your vehicle becomes dependant on your IAC to maintain enough idle speed for your vehicle to run after you install a cam. Why? I have no idea...less vacuum at idle I guess. Since your IAC is working so hard to keep you idling, sometimes your idle will dip based on computer variables that are far too complicated for me to care about when my car won't idle right. Drilling the throttle body takes up some of the slack for the IAC and prevents the idle from dipping so much. Overdrilling causes excessive idle speed. But drilling is a sloppy way to adjust something that can be done with the set screw on the throttle body.
Instead of drilling use the set screw on your throttle body, and here is how:
1) Hookup Autotap or your diagnostic tool of choice. You will want to monitor your IAC, Idle Speed (and desired idle speed if you don't know it), and your Throttle Position.
2) With the key in the ON position, adjust your tb set screw until your Throttle Position is 2-3%. You can do this all at once, or gradually in 1% increments if you like. (I started with +3% and ended up adding another +1%).
3) Turn your key to the OFF position.
4) Unplug your Throttle Position sensor.
5) Turn your key to the ON position for a few seconds, and then OFF again.
6) Plug in the TPS (don't know why nobody caught me forgetting that step) and then turn your key to the ON position and restart Autotap. Your Throttle Position will now be reset to 0 degrees (or really close like 0.4%, the point is it is now reset).
7) Start your engine. Autotap is unable to pull IAC counts from my computer, but you can watch the Idle Air Control Airflow in grams/sec. A stock vehicle should show about 20 grams/sec, and that should probably be your target. I overdid it a little myself with the extra 1% to reduce the amount of control the IAC valve has over my idle. My grams/sec is between 5-10.
I wish I had measured the IAC airflow before the change, but I just wanted to get the thing to idle better. You will probably see much much more than 20 grams/sec if you Autotap it before the adjustment.
Basically the point is that you CAN adjust your throttle body with the set screw withough messing up your Throttle Position reading. WOT will still be between 99-100% (perfectly normal). And you will now have an idle that doesn't go too low. If any of you guys have anything to add to this, please do...or if I have made some error in doing this.
Last edited by Another_User; 06-03-2004 at 12:05 AM.
#2
LOL,I love the title.Was thinking that last week when I saw this monster hole in the blade.Before Edit I tried that a few times but the car alway's learned it out to crappy idle/start again.
Like alot of people might say and I agree with is that any Cammed car should be tuned which can fix all idle/start problems,nevermind the better throttle response/midrange power you pickup.
Like alot of people might say and I agree with is that any Cammed car should be tuned which can fix all idle/start problems,nevermind the better throttle response/midrange power you pickup.
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#10
Step # 4) Unplug your Throttle Position sensor. when do you plug it back in? after # 5?
I would like to do this also. I just installed my ported t/b from jantzer, my stock tb that I sent back for core was drilled . dont really wanna drill my new ported tb so this sounds like a good idea. Ill be using tech 2 for this procedure. thanks in advanced
Mark
I would like to do this also. I just installed my ported t/b from jantzer, my stock tb that I sent back for core was drilled . dont really wanna drill my new ported tb so this sounds like a good idea. Ill be using tech 2 for this procedure. thanks in advanced
Mark
#11
Originally Posted by 1320_PERFORMANCE
Step # 4) Unplug your Throttle Position sensor. when do you plug it back in? after # 5?
I would like to do this also. I just installed my ported t/b from jantzer, my stock tb that I sent back for core was drilled . dont really wanna drill my new ported tb so this sounds like a good idea. Ill be using tech 2 for this procedure. thanks in advanced
Mark
I would like to do this also. I just installed my ported t/b from jantzer, my stock tb that I sent back for core was drilled . dont really wanna drill my new ported tb so this sounds like a good idea. Ill be using tech 2 for this procedure. thanks in advanced
Mark
Hey...how did you get a tech 2?
#15
Originally Posted by Windy City
FYI, a 3/32 allen wrench works great to turn the screw.
#17
3/32 was starting to strip, so I switched to a star bit (whatever they are called)
#18
Originally Posted by H82BBad
if you take the screw out of the opening. Then screw it in from the top. You can agjust it without removing it.