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Old 07-06-2016, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
I would venture to say that's incorrect since the LS has been much faster than the COYOTAH both NA and boosted?
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Please tell me where they got the engine on the ford side for this article? Oh yea a junkyard truck
Same motor though... not a completely different one that came from the factory.


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Has a coyote been 8.0 in the 1/4 NA?
Coyotes do not care about NA... that is not where they excel... boost is...

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2011+ mustang boys have to use the factory **** because it costs too much to upgrade.
Factory **** is good enough from the factory.. no need to upgrade... throw some psi at it and let them eat.

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lol you bros really like to rescue each other. It is kind of cute. I swear not a single one of you can hold your own
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Perhaps something missing here with the br0's being up in arms over the end hp of the 5.0 is fuel choice. Most max effort bolt on bro's run FTW fuel not pump gas. That's worth up to 40 crank hp right there. They did his test on pump gas. Not even e85.
Here is a dyno sheet of a 93octane to E85 comparison same dyno/ same day... look at ALL that powah!!! This pretty much proves what I have been saying about the difference I feel between 93 and E85... which is not much at all. Let HioCrew butthurt commence.


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Originally Posted by ZNix
We will have to wait and see the results from their FI test.
The 5.0 should excel in this test. We already know psi per psi on various setups that the 5.0 makes more power per psi.
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
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Same motor though... not a completely different one that came from the factory.




Coyotes do not care about NA... that is not where they excel... boost is...



Factory **** is good enough from the factory.. no need to upgrade... throw some psi at it and let them eat.



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Here is a dyno sheet of a 93octane to E85 comparison same dyno/ same day... look at ALL that powah!!! This pretty much proves what I have been saying about the difference I feel between 93 and E85... which is not much at all. Let HioCrew butthurt commence.


I Said FTW fuel... Keep that pain rollin tho
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Only metric I care about is HP per crankshaft
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp

Here is a dyno sheet of a 93octane to E85 comparison same dyno/ same day... look at ALL that powah!!! This pretty much proves what I have been saying about the difference I feel between 93 and E85... which is not much at all. Let HioCrew butthurt commence.


Wow, she's a torque monster!
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
In a gutted rayce cah




Same motor though... not a completely different one that came from the factory.




Coyotes do not care about NA... that is not where they excel... boost is...



Factory **** is good enough from the factory.. no need to upgrade... throw some psi at it and let them eat.



Mappy in a mean mood today.



Here is a dyno sheet of a 93octane to E85 comparison same dyno/ same day... look at ALL that powah!!! This pretty much proves what I have been saying about the difference I feel between 93 and E85... which is not much at all. Let HioCrew butthurt commence.



Your e85 results may vary....although i would take e85 in my own car for a 10hp/12tq gain at the wheels. Looks like it elped extend the way the hp carries up top to by poppa graph. I always knew he was downplaying.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...ighlight=manny


http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...ns-for-new-5-0


Likely better than poppa posted tho

A coyote comes from the factory na......it better care about na.
Originally Posted by Poppacapp
The 5.0 should excel in this test. We already know psi per psi on various setups that the 5.0 makes more power per psi.
No we don't know that. Actually according to slowzz the ls made more power per psi. The calculation was done on ls9 vs 5.8 tho.
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Only metric I care about is HP per crankshaft
Hp per cylinder is one i like also.....neither of which the coyote wins.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
I wasn't aware the 5.3 came in any Camaros or Corvettes.

Just can't get it done with what you're given from the factory I guess.
This is a stupid thing to say. It is the same **** other than being an iron block and a smaller bore. This thread is started with a 5.0 from a truck.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Coyote cars have been 9's with bolt ons. Ls3 cars have not. Pretty obvious who gets more done with less.
More with less is what keeps these comparisons fun in my book. The factor for this test just happened to be the $10k mark and the Ford took an *** whoopin. 9's with bolts ons is another great example.

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I think the coyote will do well boosted. Especially if they use the same blowers or turbos. That will restrict the ls3.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
I Said FTW fuel... Keep that pain rollin tho
No, I posted the graph showing yall race gas haters that E85 doesnt gain that much.

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Your e85 results may vary....although i would take e85 in my own car for a 10hp/12tq gain at the wheels. Looks like it elped extend the way the hp carries up top to by poppa graph. I always knew he was downplaying.

Nooo... thats not my car. Someone posted that on the m6g forums. I have already posted my dynosheet up. Or did you forget what my car made? I have not dynod the car on 93 yet.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...ighlight=manny


http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...ns-for-new-5-0

Those links prove nothing tho. The graph I posted is pretty much EXACTLY how my car feels between 93 and E85. Yall choose not to believe me, which is fine. Doesn't matter to me.


Likely better than poppa posted tho

A coyote comes from the factory na......it better care about na.

Why care about NA when we want to go faster than NA can? Including GM NA?
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That's the thing.....you're not gonna go faster than n/a gm can. You're only gonna go faster than na coyote can.

Those links are as valid as the dyno you posted.....more so really. I'm not tryin to down play it.
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Poppa still having panic attacks over E85 gains
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5.0's on average will not do N/A builds because they cost so much and produce minimal numbers when compared to throwing boost at them.

5.0's have made 900who on the old 11-14 5.0 motors and ran 8s but the engines don't hold very long. Going over 650 is rough on stock engine without a perfect tune.

The newer 5.0 motors have made over 900whp and lasted so far.

If wanting to go N/A go LS all day. Your results will be better once you get passed simple bolt ons.

JPC still owns the record for fastest N/A 5.0 with some low 9 sec passes in a full purpose built track car.

Bolt on times is in the mid 10s now.

Boost is where the 5.0 shines.


Hell you can buy a new base model 5.0 with 727hp for 38k from 2 different dealers in the country.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No we don't know that. Actually according to slowzz the ls made more power per psi. The calculation was done on ls9 vs 5.8 tho.

Hp per cylinder is one i like also.....neither of which the coyote wins.
LS9 > Gaynity

HP per valve is all that matters!!!
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What's funny is with a 10k budget you coukda had this ls
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
The 5.0 should excel in this test. We already know psi per psi on various setups that the 5.0 makes more power per psi.
It will. The back to back comparison between a 6th Gen Mustang and a 6th Gen Camaro is pretty telling. I am at around 10psi and making 700 rwhp 590 rwtq and the Camaro guys are struggling to get to 600 rwhp but making 600 rwtq.

Stock motors on both.
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5.0 struggles to make as much hp as 4.8's
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here is a stock block,head ls3 a6 vette making 730whp on 12lbs..would make way more with a cam designed for boost...
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Originally Posted by 08ls3
here is a stock block,head ls3 a6 vette making 730whp on 12lbs..would make way more with a cam designed for boost...
10 Second C6 Vette - Daily Driver - YouTube
730rwhp 3200lb car only runs 10's?


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