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Old 04-08-2017, 06:10 PM
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I dont think the oil ring failed as such, it just got busted after the piston ringlands broke.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
I dont think the oil ring failed as such, it just got busted after the piston ringlands broke.
So why did the lower ring land break before the top one?

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How can you tell which broke first ?


The engine could probably run for a very long time with the middle one broken, as the rings tend to support it better. But it just depends what way it breaks really.

I dont think anyone could definitively say which part of the piston broke first there.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
How can you tell which broke first ?


The engine could probably run for a very long time with the middle one broken, as the rings tend to support it better. But it just depends what way it breaks really.

I dont think anyone could definitively say which part of the piston broke first there.
I don't....I am trying to understand what happened here...If that's even possible...

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Take the top and middle out and compare the gaps.
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More often than not, detonation breaks pistons like that, especially weak cast pistons.

Although you could maybe say 2nd ring gap was too tight and it seized a little and caused the ringlands to break.
Which is maybe plausible as the top ring land appears to be ok ? Are there signs of the ring ends butting ?

Problem is detonation can sometimes break stuff in the strangest ways. But OEM pistons are known to be very weak.
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yeah there is signs the top ring butted, i'll get a pic.

i did check ring gaps on a couple pistons here and there when I first slapped it together and they were like .030"-.028" on both the 1st and second ring!

caution-what follows not for the faint of heart it's a 260,000 mile sludge pig, 1/8" of sludge on every interior engine surface. drained the oil and put in 4 qts of ATF and drove it around for a while...then drained about 10 qts of nasty crude oil out! I dunked the pistons in berrymans and wire brushed them until they could move freely again.



if I had noticed it right away, shut it off and tore it down, maybe then I could have have a definite mode of failure analysis for andrew but the lab was closed that day so I drove it home haha

actually i didnt even notice it broke---in fact I made 4-5 more pulls, including one from a 60mph roll that broke the drag radials loose. only when my buddy saw a little puffing from the wheel well that we drove it home and took a peek.

would forged stuff lived through getting rattled like that? maybe, maybe not. but my days of spending money on forged internals is long over. for that kinda money I could put my retirement fund ahead a half year or better.


sometimes you get burnt when you play with fire. the only thing I am salty about is this




i wonder what cam I should try next?
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I'd find it hard to believe the rings butted with those gaps ?

Forged pistons can tolerate a lot more...but depends on the actual cause. But OEM pistons are not the strongest out there anyway.
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yes, me too. who knows what the gaps in this particular holes were...i didnt check them.

perhaps they were cracked prior to me ever having the motor?



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