CamOnlyJabroni

Put a anti-roll bar on it!!! Don't leave home without it!

islander033

Good job Hammer!

Looks like it's the Tio Crew now.

Sorry Mio.

Rise of the Phoenix

iTrader: (27)

Have you put any thought into doing a custom made 4" intake w/ velocity stack?

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ke-system.html

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Why would he use a 4" tube od when the id of his tb is larger than that? Then drag it through 2-3ft of tubing. Nothing about that sounds efficient. Now it might be better than a lid set up but that's really not saying much.

I have a solution for him

Rise of the Phoenix

iTrader: (27)

5" or 6" could be done as well.

adamantium

iTrader: (3)

Hammer went hollywood!

big hammer

big hammer

I needed to wash the car and take pics of it..

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

That awful big and woukd be hard to get over the core support. Something like this is more like it

Bill00Formula

iTrader: (4)

I don't get how this motor can run so much better than everyone else. Are there any 427, 434 or 441 ci motors running a fast intake in a non race f-body running close to this. I don't care what they dyno. I have a 427 w/ 235 tfs heads that pretty much sucks compared to this. My 60 foots are bad but it doesn't make that much difference. Two weeks ago I was at the track in south florida and after a long cool down ran 11.27 at 128.9 with a 1.89 60 foot. My race weight is 3,650-3,700 and I have a 6 spd.

big hammer

I just got lucky

64post

iTrader: (5)

Because, he has a 3/4 cam and pop up pistons and you don't.

Darth_V8r

iTrader: (4)

Running LS7 clutch? What exhaust?

sillysspeed

iTrader: (21)

Sounds like you need to work on dialing in your car some more. No reason with taking out some weight out and some fall/winter air down there you can't run 135+ mph. Might need to take a fine tooth comb over your whole setup. Could be a couple things holding you back

big hammer

235's are good heads, but I just wouldn't use them on a 427. Doesn't necessarily make me right I suppose just a personal preference.

Some of these higher flowing cathedrals are darn good heads in their own right BUT I think fast intakes really limit them... a ported. Fast 102 flows maybe 290 cfm so it may limit a guy to the 530-540 rwhp range. Which is still decent but not what the heads are capable of. Just throwing some theories out there

Also the runner harmonics of a cathedral fast just aren't right for making really good hp over 6500 rpm. Seems like if you can get your TQ curve to stay pretty flat up top while continuing to climb in RPM that's when hp really starts to build

Mike Morris

iTrader: (55)

MSS ported intake for the win!! I wish I could run one

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Because you and the others you speak of have some of the worlds worst combos.....that's how. There is no need to rethink the wheel here with ls stuff. Hammer added to the wheels of motion by freeing up the engine and addressing downfalls others had in there combos. Extending the rpm range is a big part of that. Most simply think their combo is gonna work.......because well it's theirs. Not the way it works.

speedtigger

iTrader: (16)

Put a mid-length runner FAST on your car with some MAST heads and a LLR hi-lift camshaft like Hammer has and see what happens.

As for those 60' times, I would have to assume you are either spinning, have the wrong rear gear, or something goofy in your combo.

SoFla01SSLookinstok

Hey Bill,

Don't get too discouraged. Your car runs good for what it is. As I don't know exactly, what is your best run down the 1/4? Your car is full weight. Hammers car is not. Just a couple differences to spot between you & hammers engine combos:

-You do have more ci, 427-388, but you guys have the same piston size. 4.125"
-Your motor is running on a non-ported fast 92. hammer has the medium runner fast102.
-You have 1-7/8 headers, hammer 2'' headers
-hammer has a solid roller cam, your still on a hydraulic roller.
-You make all your power under 7krpm, hammer is spinning close to 8krpm
-Along with the different weight, gearing, etc.

Also that it's summer down here. Nobody is going to run great times/mph in this crap air we have now. A 50mph tail wind helps a bit also

For what your car is, & what it runs, I've always respected your car. I don't see many N/A street cars getting 130+ traps. Your car is the fastest N/A f-body I see at the track. Your car runs good.

Regards

Darth_V8r

iTrader: (4)

That's damn right^^^

You've got two options for hp. Either your peak tq is moved higher in rpm or your curve is wide and flat. You won't do it with long runners unless you try to cheat it higher with a camshaft, in which case it peaks and falls fast.

The benefit of long runners is air momentum. So the cylinder continues to fill even as the piston is on its way back up. Kind of a weird way to see it but g/cyl is tq. G/sec is HP. After you hit peak tq, your torque falls, but hp still increases. Because you're getting more cylinder fills per minute, even if they're slightly less efficient in terms of g/cyl.

At high rpm, you don't need air momentum. You need airFLOW. So now, breathe through a straw. Cut the straw in half, and it's easier to breathe. Go to a bigger diameter straw it's even more easier to breathe. The heads can almost always outflow the intake. Intake is a straw the engine has to breathe through.

Now, take your heads. The runners on the heads are themselves straws. However you can't make them shorter. You CAN make them wider.

Hammer did a tremendous job matching the heads, intake, and cam to his intended rpm range. Also, hammer is a great driver. Knows his shift points, knows how to work a car. Very often I see guys shifting at 6500, because that's peak power. There is so much power past peak not being used when you do that. Hammers peak hp was around 6800 rpm, so he's probably shifting at 7500 or so. Maybe higher. With a solid valvetrain, he can safely rev much higher.