98camaro28

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Long story short, I sold my car, bought it back 2 years later, and the guy sold the car to put these heads on there. I am now doing a ProCharger build, and would really like to know if anybody has a connection that could help me find out what cc and flow numbers these make. They are a 243 casting, and was told they are "Stage 3", but nothing is certain. The serial # from Patriot is 3394, I attached a pic. Anybody have a connection to help out? Or at least flow numbers on their CNC program?

00pooterSS

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Have you googled it? Most of us would have to, or you'd have to find a patriot head specialist that's been lurking on here for 15 years.

Judging by the silver spray paint those heads look to be "rebuilt". I don't normally see heads spray painted unless they went through some sort of cheapo rebuilder. Also the part number is stamped in there like a machine shop would stamp them, not usually how cnc guys number stuff.

Anyway, those heads are old old old. Gonna be hard to find info on them.

Here is a little bit

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...heads-ls1.html

https://www.rpmoutlet.com/gtomclutch.htm

98camaro28

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All my searches have come up to be a dead end. I was hoping there was somebody on here with maybe a connection to files from Patriot or some more insight on their stage 3 setup.

In the end I'm sure I will end up with a set of TFS heads, but for the time being would like to know what I'm getting into with these.

He told me these heads were close to 10 years old when he got them. He painted them himself along with everything else... Def not a reman from a machine shop.

They make good power NA, hoping to get to 850 wheel without issue.

cookseyb

Try Alabama Cylinder Head, Patriot is the performance side of this company. When I was working in Birmingham I took a set of 243's to them for CNC work and their valve springs and valves. They had the Hass CNC machines and did a good job for me. This was in 2012 and I heard they lost their lease and had to relocate. Hope this helps.

98camaro28

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Cookseyb, thank you for the tip! I'll give them a call and keep this updated.

codyvette

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There is no telling who else has touched those in so many years. Pull them, have them flow benched and then CCed. It's much easier than taking a chance on a FI build.

98camaro28

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These heads will only be run for 1 season, its not worth it for me to pull them to get flow numbers or cc them, because in the end it wont matter. More of a curiosity thing, which is why I'm pursuing the right person with records that can tell me what I want with the serial number.

There is no risk involved, as my build isnt centered on these heads... If I'm able to make 850 wheel with these, which is certainly possible, then Ill be happy. As of now, the plan is a set of TFS 245s and sell these, in which case I would still like more info so I can inform the new owner.

98camaro28

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OK, got my info...

It's got 1.60/2.08 vaves, 64cc chambers, and tested 320 CFM at .600" with a 4" bore.

R6cowboy

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Do you know the combustion chamber size and CR to justify that there's no risk? I know a guy who had that thought process then found out shortly later after he had melted pistons that the engine's heads were milled down (don't remember exactly the cc's) and the motor had just under 13:1 CR. He didn't get nowhere close to 1 season out of a brand new engine, only a few hundred miles. Some take there chances and get away, and some waste a perfectly good motor.

I'm just asking, how do you know if the engine is safe to run, especially with boost, without knowing any info on the heads, CR, etc. ?

98camaro28

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I understand, but again, my build isn't centered around these heads. I'm not going to put 16lbs into it and cross my fingers. With my pistons, figuring worse case CR with a 59cc chamber (smallest chamber offered), that puts me at 11:1. With the biggest pulley I can put on the Procharger I'll be lucky to see 6psi, and with E85 and good tuning there is no reason to be worried. Again, this is worse case. The plan isn't to use these heads, just purely curious to see what I'm getting into being that I won't be buying TFSs for another season.

R6cowboy

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Gotcha, didn't know you knew what pistons were in the motor. Now that I think of it, take a few minutes to do a simple compression check so you know exactly where you're at.

98camaro28

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I know every last detail of the build, minus the exact details on the heads. I know that's goofy, but its the reason I'm asking.

Either way, I ended up getting the answers I needed. Glad to have it in case I sell them later on.

00pooterSS

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Out of curiosity where did you find the info?

98camaro28

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Called Alabama Cylinder Head and spoke with a guy on the phone that worked for Patriot when they closed their doors, and still runs the very same machines and programs today. He said he couldn't 100% verify the chamber size (he said he was 90% certain its 64cc, could be 59cc), but could certainly verify everything else. I had assumed they were 59cc from the beginning, so being 64 would only be even better for me.

G Atsma

CC'ing the chamber is easy IF you have a clear plastic plate and burette, as that is a critical piece of info.

98camaro28

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Absolutely, but once the heads come off next year it will be to sell them. Good info to have for the buyer for sure.

00pooterSS

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Man you better buy a lotto ticket with that kind of luck. I saw where the guy posted earlier to call him, super rare you get that kind of lead on info and you actually get a hold of the guy that knows all there is to know..

G Atsma

No ****!!!! lol

cookseyb

Glad this worked out for you..