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Old 03-17-2019, 07:57 PM
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Default CXRacing gt45r “ball bearing” turbo failed




Hard to see in the photo but I am able to drag my fingernail and get it caught on the shaft...
Well figured it might happen and I’m glad I caught it before any catostrophic damage occurred.

My Ebay CXRacing gt45 shaft had a ton of wiggle (lateral play?)... the bushing in the turbine side wore out. Mind you this had 2500 miles on it. Thinking of replacing it with an On3 one.
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I had an On3 journal bearing turbo trash out in 11 miles.
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Originally Posted by sewerpickle
I had an On3 journal bearing turbo trash out in 11 miles.
WUT?

11 miles? was it install incorrectly?
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I’m looking at On3 for a replacement........... I’ll try and get a billet ball bearing one. And I’ll go a little smaller since this one was slow to spool
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i did a 7875 cast
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Originally Posted by panda240ss
WUT?

11 miles? was it install incorrectly?
​​​​​​​it was installed correctly, I was doing some WOT tuning, I made 2 pulls at 12psi, the 3rd pull had 0psi. Part of the turbine housing cracked and wiped out the turbine blades.
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Well they are Chinese...they wont last forever.

Looks like it may have a lack of oil too ? Some heat into the shaft
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That is a journal bearing rear... Just saying
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Well they are Chinese...they wont last forever.

Looks like it may have a lack of oil too ? Some heat into the shaft
Precision isn't Chinese, so what's their excuse? Anyway, I bought an on3 7875 3 years ago, still reliably making boost to this day.
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Originally Posted by Game ova
Precision isn't Chinese, so what's their excuse? Anyway, I bought an on3 7875 3 years ago, still reliably making boost to this day.
Bizarrely, this thread is about a Chinese GT45.....so WTF has Precision got to do with anything ? I've Precisions on some cars still running after 15 years...how many of your Chinese units have run that long ?

And as Z says, the brass markings on the shaft would suggest a journal bearing core.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Bizarrely, this thread is about a Chinese GT45.....so WTF has Precision got to do with anything ? I've Precisions on some cars still running after 15 years...how many of your Chinese units have run that long ?

And as Z says, the brass markings on the shaft would suggest a journal bearing core.
Bizarrely, the point was, doesn't really matter from what part of the world the unit is from, in regards to reliability.
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I've seen a schwietzer turbo on a big truck fail after a tick over 900,000 miles, and several Mack turbos go well past 300K.

​​​​​​​I think it definitely matters where the units come from.
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Originally Posted by game ova
bizarrely, the point was, doesn't really matter from what part of the world the unit is from, in regards to reliability.
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So this is a Turbonetics-style single ball bearing on the compressor side with a journal bearing on the turbine side? Sounds like if someone were to set up the oil feed with a restrictor sized for a dual ball bearing turbo, that journal bearing wouldn't get enough oil.
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Originally Posted by sewerpickle
I've seen a schwietzer turbo on a big truck fail after a tick over 900,000 miles, and several Mack turbos go well past 300K.

I think it definitely matters where the units come from.
it absolutely matters....same way it absolutely matters how it is installed and fed with oil, and the oil drain etc.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
it absolutely matters....same way it absolutely matters how it is installed and fed with oil, and the oil drain etc.
​​​​​​​agreed.
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Originally Posted by TastyBacon
So this is a Turbonetics-style single ball bearing on the compressor side with a journal bearing on the turbine side? Sounds like if someone were to set up the oil feed with a restrictor sized for a dual ball bearing turbo, that journal bearing wouldn't get enough oil.

after a good amount of research I discovered why it failed. This was advertised as a ball bearing turbo. To me, that means front and rear. It also came with a restrictor. A quick search on the interwebs told me that BB turbos need less oil hence the restrictor. Using my seductive reasoning, i deduced (sarcasticly trying to sound smart) that I needed it.

Then I learned a lot of the Chinese “ball bearing” turbos are hybrids meaning BB on comp side and journal in the turbine. So using a restrictor is good for the compressor side but fatal for the turbine side. WHY IN THE ACTUAL F*** would you make a hybrid.

Alas, I understood that going cheap had its risks.

So fast forward to today. I ordered one of Huron Speeds full journal bearing billet 7875s with a .96a/r turbine housing. I figured go slightly smaller on the a/r for quicker spool. My 5.3 couldn’t produce enough exhaust gasses to get the gt45 with a 1.15a/r to spool up and produce boost until the engine saw 3500-4K rpm
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Originally Posted by The0nlyon3
Then I learned a lot of the Chinese “ball bearing” turbos are hybrids meaning BB on comp side and journal in the turbine. So using a restrictor is good for the compressor side but fatal for the turbine side. WHY IN THE ACTUAL F*** would you make a hybrid.
They are just copying an old Turbonetics design. It's not a bad design as long as you feed it enough oil. Sadly whoever is selling it probably doesn't understand what it is or how to set it up properly. They probably got complaints about smoking without any restrictor, so they threw a "ball bearing" sized restrictor in the box and the complaints stopped. Problem solved, right?
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yeah the stock reply i get from china journal bearing sellers is "dont restrict it unless you need to"

lol thanks for the ****** help buddy

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Well ive always heard that if you have a high pressure or volume oil pump then you would need to restrict it if not . then just bolt it on



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