Budget 383 Head
Budget 383 Head Guys Ima bout to build a 383 SBC for a fox body and Im looking to do it on a budget so Im trying to find a good budget head.
Im lookin for at least a 200cc runner and 265 cfm.
I was looking at the patriot heads
http://www.patriot-performance.com/w...05238&DID=1225
But I was wondering about maybe some ported vortecs but im new to SBC, known the reverse flow heads well but not to hip on the older ones, anyone else have a better recommendation?
Im looking for just around 400 crank hp from a 383, it will pretty much see track only and I dont plan on spinning it past 6K.
Im lookin for at least a 200cc runner and 265 cfm.
I was looking at the patriot heads
http://www.patriot-performance.com/w...05238&DID=1225
But I was wondering about maybe some ported vortecs but im new to SBC, known the reverse flow heads well but not to hip on the older ones, anyone else have a better recommendation?
Im looking for just around 400 crank hp from a 383, it will pretty much see track only and I dont plan on spinning it past 6K.
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Spend the extra $150 for AFR Eliminators. 195cc or 210cc. I would use the 210cc and .630" lift 25x/26x @.050" duration solid roller to make it worth putting a SBC in a Mustang. Don't go too cheap on the Heads and Cam. Otherwise, you will be getting outrun by 302, 331, and 347 or larger cube mustangs all the time. And you will be getting made fun of by them and us because you did the SBC swap only to get outrun by smaller displacement Ford engines. Don't make the SBC look bad.
Not flaming, just do it right if your gonna do it.
If not using AFR 195cc eliminators, You will need at least a 210cc runner. This needs to be a 10second car.
If using the Patriots, use at least the 215cc runner, maybe the 225cc depending on Compression and cam choice. But regardless the 215cc head will make for a killer combo regardless.
Good luck, I will help you with your head and cam choices you'd like, just need to know your goals and budget.
Not flaming, just do it right if your gonna do it.
If not using AFR 195cc eliminators, You will need at least a 210cc runner. This needs to be a 10second car.
If using the Patriots, use at least the 215cc runner, maybe the 225cc depending on Compression and cam choice. But regardless the 215cc head will make for a killer combo regardless.
Good luck, I will help you with your head and cam choices you'd like, just need to know your goals and budget.
This is supposed to be on a budget and its going in a fox body for the lightweight and stock 8.8.
I dont want a 10 sec car I want an 11 sec car. Plus there will be spray on top.
I dont want a solid roller or AFRs. This is on a budget.
I could care less about whos outrunning me. Im in college and on a budget. I want 11s and if it happens to run that on motor than the spray will just go in later on..
And if I run the AFRs and a solid roller, Ill need a tronger bottom end and right now Im gettin a smokin deal on a 383 kit with a nodular crank, 5140 rods, and forged pistons.
If i went patriot I was plannin on the 225cc chamber and its gonna be 10.8 to 1.
The car will be COMPLETELY STRIPPED.
I dont want a 10 sec car I want an 11 sec car. Plus there will be spray on top.
I dont want a solid roller or AFRs. This is on a budget.
I could care less about whos outrunning me. Im in college and on a budget. I want 11s and if it happens to run that on motor than the spray will just go in later on..
And if I run the AFRs and a solid roller, Ill need a tronger bottom end and right now Im gettin a smokin deal on a 383 kit with a nodular crank, 5140 rods, and forged pistons.
If i went patriot I was plannin on the 225cc chamber and its gonna be 10.8 to 1.
The car will be COMPLETELY STRIPPED.
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Then why not just run a 302? I mean if you aren't going to build this 383 right then why the bother? Sounds like you're half assing it with less than ideal parts yet expecting decent results. It won't happen.
And with only 400hp and even with spray a decnt 302 or 347 will wax your *** and you'll like a clown who wasted his time.
And with only 400hp and even with spray a decnt 302 or 347 will wax your *** and you'll like a clown who wasted his time.
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It seems like a pretty decent bottom...decent rods, good pistons, a good crank. You dont need a forged crank. Use the Patriot 225's and your 10.8:1 with a HEALTHY cam it could very well end up being a 10 second car.
Originally Posted by 383LT1S10
Then why not just run a 302? I mean if you aren't going to build this 383 right then why the bother? Sounds like you're half assing it with less than ideal parts yet expecting decent results. It won't happen.
And with only 400hp and even with spray a decnt 302 or 347 will wax your *** and you'll like a clown who wasted his time.
And with only 400hp and even with spray a decnt 302 or 347 will wax your *** and you'll like a clown who wasted his time.
Why do I care who beats me I want to run 11s initially. If its not enough Ill throw on a solid roller and heads later on down the road and be in the 10s with spray.
It doesnt take alot of horsepower to maker a lightweight notch go fast.
Have you lost your mind, have you seen any 302, 306, 331, and 347 times lately. They dont dyno worth a damn. The 347 are okay but the rest are ***.
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I'd go with the vortec heads, a CARCRAFT article actually made slightly less horsepower with the patriot heads. I know the runners are only 170 cc, but you can still make some killer numbers. there are also a few other tricks that you can do with them.
What year is the block? Is it a factory roller? If its a factroy roller engine then you could throw in a decent hydraulic roller cam and be in business. if you want some help with a combination, just hit me up with a PM. have fun building your abomination!
What year is the block? Is it a factory roller? If its a factroy roller engine then you could throw in a decent hydraulic roller cam and be in business. if you want some help with a combination, just hit me up with a PM. have fun building your abomination!
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From: North Star, Ohio
No retarded is going to the trouble of building a 383 and then topping it off with junk heads to save a buck. Those Patriot heads are garbage, bite the bullet and get the AFR's. Why build a motor with junk parts just to have to replace them in the future to go faster? Build it right the first ******* time.
Thats whats ******* retarded...
Thats whats ******* retarded...
There is nothing cheap and budget about those patriot heads, power house sells a 195cc aluminum head for 800$ for the pair. I have ported and polished vortecs in my 89 RS on top od a 383, the T5 was shaking after its first few drives, over 500 ftlbs, 450+ hp. It is a bad MFer, pulls from down low nothing to 6000 rpm.
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DONT BUILD A STROKER IF YOU CANT AFFORD THE HEADS!
You will have a faster car if you kept a 350ci with a good set of heads n cam with a matched carb
Putting on WEAK heads on a bigger cube motor, is only going to make it a low RPM STUMP........
That why you see so many extermly slow stroker cars, because they think big stroke=more power.....when heads play a big roll in this
You will have a faster car if you kept a 350ci with a good set of heads n cam with a matched carb
Putting on WEAK heads on a bigger cube motor, is only going to make it a low RPM STUMP........
That why you see so many extermly slow stroker cars, because they think big stroke=more power.....when heads play a big roll in this
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Originally Posted by whytryz28
Camel Hump heads are the best bang for the buck, ive seen them on ebay for cheap.
Will sell you a set of 291 casting 1.94/1.50 valve, fresh valve job, camel humps for $200.
He would get spanked by H/C/I 302's all the time if he use double humps.
The double hump heads perform fairly well when properly ported. They work better on a smaller bore size motor ( up to 4.060"), but when you go to a larger bore motor (4.125" or bigger) they are usually left in the dust. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the Vortec heads over the double hump heads as well. But in this case he is willing to spend a decent amount of money on some aluminum heads. Here is a link for some decent cylinder heads that will support 450+ HP and won't break the bank. http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
I will be running canfield heads.
I finally found an old popular hot rodding and they did 657 hp for like 5K. It seems right in my price range and what Im wanting so im just going to follow there build.
I finally found an old popular hot rodding and they did 657 hp for like 5K. It seems right in my price range and what Im wanting so im just going to follow there build.
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i have used canfield heads on every engine i have had ford and chevy.
306 ford..as cast canfield 220 2.02 1.60=11.00 1/4mi 3020*lbs
427 ford..cnc port canfield 220+ 2.08 1.60=6.30 1/8 mi 2900*lbs
406 sbc..as cast canfield 220ish 2.08 1.60=6.50 1/8 mi 3500*lbs
less than $1000 a pair assembled as cast
best heads for the money in my opinion*by far
306 ford..as cast canfield 220 2.02 1.60=11.00 1/4mi 3020*lbs
427 ford..cnc port canfield 220+ 2.08 1.60=6.30 1/8 mi 2900*lbs
406 sbc..as cast canfield 220ish 2.08 1.60=6.50 1/8 mi 3500*lbs
less than $1000 a pair assembled as cast
best heads for the money in my opinion*by far
