Why Hasnt This Been Done

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Old 06-19-2005, 12:10 PM
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Just my two cents but see if you can put it up top as a sticky. Run it all July and see what happens. I agree to do a small one first. Then you can go big if it works out. I feel that if it is just $1 a spot, people won't be as worried for a scam. Just try it, if it works then cool, if not oh well ya know.
Old 06-19-2005, 12:24 PM
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the tier system sounds like a good way to do it to me. i too would definitly be in.
Old 06-19-2005, 04:02 PM
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I think it would have to be a sticky for sure, and maybe as long as the site owners agree, try to put info for this in like a social forum. That way more people get word on wat's going on
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There is a really good reason why this hasn't been done. In most states, a raffle is considered an illegal lottery scheme, subject to heavy fines and/or jail time. Most states have exemptions for charitable organizations, but not businesses. This is why most business sweepstakes promotions allow for the consumer to obtain a game piece, ticket, or whatever free of charge. If a purchase is necessary for a chance to win, the raffle would be a crime. No, I'm not a lawyer, but I have experience with criminal gambling charges.
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Sweet Suspension Fund, UMI is giving to the cause HAHA
Old 06-19-2005, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gametech
There is a really good reason why this hasn't been done. In most states, a raffle is considered an illegal lottery scheme, subject to heavy fines and/or jail time. Most states have exemptions for charitable organizations, but not businesses. This is why most business sweepstakes promotions allow for the consumer to obtain a game piece, ticket, or whatever free of charge. If a purchase is necessary for a chance to win, the raffle would be a crime. No, I'm not a lawyer, but I have experience with criminal gambling charges.
Hrm. What if 100% of the money from tickets were going to pay for the prize, so that there wasn't any direct profit being made? Would that still fall into the same category?
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I don't think anyone will want to mess with this if they won't profit from it.
Old 06-19-2005, 06:46 PM
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It sounds like a good idea to me. The odds of winning are never going to be clear if done as stated though. I think a sponsor that is willing to do this should limit how many raffles they sell. For instance, sell 1000 raffles at $1 each, and give the winner a gift certificate for a good amount. Of course, the sponsor would have to keep some of the cut because they are investing time into this, and time is money. Maybe they can keep $300 of the $1000 taken in, and give away a $700 gift certificate to the lucky winner. This way, your odds are 1 in 1000 to win $700. I think this would be awesome, and I'd pitch a dollar in to Thunder, Futral, or TEA any day of the week to hold this raffle.

Also, the sponsor can donate some of the excess money to any charity of their choice. It's a winning situation for everyone.
Old 06-19-2005, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaro477
I don't think anyone will want to mess with this if they won't profit from it.
Well, that is what the original suggestion was....
a dollar a ticket to anyone one this site. every one gets a number then put all the numbers in a hat draw one and how ever much money is raised that person can get that much stuff at their shop/site/ or whatever
I'd think the way it could benefit them indirectly is by getting people interested in buying something from them ("oh, this is cool, here's what I'd get if I win"... and then some of the people who don't win decide to buy it anyway), and even the winner might see more products they want to buy beyond the amount they won
Old 06-19-2005, 07:21 PM
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nice point, my bad on the assumption.
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Did I mention that if the sponsor were in Texas they would probably also be charged with engaging in organized criminal activity and have their property seized?
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what ever works. i was just throwing something in the air to stir the pot some. i mean its just a dollar a chance. one thing which ever sponsor does is it will make money without taking a cut off of the top. i mean 300 bucks from 1k is quite a bit but i dont know what is involved to make it work. i understand that time is money, i get that part but you will be giving them that 1k for parts. once again not sure how hard it is to set up. just waiting on a sponsor to pick it up.
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I liked the credit deal. A sponsor sets up the raffle what ever amount of tickets is sold then thats the amount you get towards that sponsor. Both the member makes out and the sponsor. Sponsor gets the business and the member get something for his/her car.
Old 06-19-2005, 08:23 PM
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Everyone seems to have great ideas and I agree with alot of the suggestions.

I think it should be limited, the 1000 tickets max would be a great start. Its a good chunk of money but not a drastic amount.

I think if I were to do it I wouldn't want to profit from it, just by our sales only. For example if there was 1000 entires equaling a $1000.00 then the winner would get a $1000.00 credit with our company. This way it seems more legal to me and I would see nothing wrong with something like that.
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Thats the way I think it should be. I mean you would profit from it cause it like the winner calling you up saying I want 1k worth of your product.
Old 06-20-2005, 12:17 PM
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I'd be down for this. One question though. What if someone wins, and they dont need to spend all the money? Will it go on a gift card or something? Will they receive cash?
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Originally Posted by psykoTA
I'd be down for this. One question though. What if someone wins, and they dont need to spend all the money? Will it go on a gift card or something? Will they receive cash?
The rest of the money would be deposited into my account
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That's like saying sponsor's don't profit by advertising. To me this would be a good advertising device for the sponsor. They lose no money, yet 1,000 people learn a little bit more about the sponsor, and 1 person wins stuff to spend at that sponsor's shop. I see no negatives, and 1 nice positive, winning. $1 isn't much. Even if things went south. Who cares it's 1 dollar. The effects would be much worse for a sponsor. 1,000 people would never buy from them. And even more wouldn't buy because of the people they've told. I prolly give away $2 a week in change.
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Originally Posted by stryker14
The rest of the money would be deposited into my account
The paint on your car
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I think this would be great. I think the legal part of it could be taken care of if say 15% of the money collected was donated to some legit charity chosen by the sponsor organizing. That way we're not only helping ourselves, one of the sponsors, but also helping others. That's a win win win situation. Sticky it in some of the forums with lots of traffic I bet you'd sell 1000 tickets in a matter of weeks. Before long we could be doing much larger ticket raffles, people getting forged motors and some charity getting a heathy check from the LS1 community.


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