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HID relay
im installing some HID's on my car in a few days and after hearing all the horror stories about melted wires, I decided im going to put a relay and fuse in the system. ive heard of people only using one of the original headlight wires, but I really want to wire up a seperate relay on both lights... or use just one relay, but use both plugs like the stock configuration. I dont like the idea of taping up a plug because its not being used... i want to do this right and use both plugs and make it look as stock as possible. and i dont care about the extra cost. are there any problems that could occur from using 2 relays? or any advice as to how to wire a single relay with both harness plugs being used?
i know that i need a 40W 4 prong relay (and a 15W fuse?), but other than that, I'm pretty much clueless. does anyone have a part number or some kind of reference number i could use when purchasing the relays? Does this crude wiring diagram look correct for 2 separate relays?
Any advice is appreciated!
i know that i need a 40W 4 prong relay (and a 15W fuse?), but other than that, I'm pretty much clueless. does anyone have a part number or some kind of reference number i could use when purchasing the relays? Does this crude wiring diagram look correct for 2 separate relays?
Any advice is appreciated!
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My system is completely side-independent just like you are describing.
I have a relay and fuse per bulb. So 2 fuses (15 AMP ea) and 2 relays (30/40 AMP ea) for the low beams.
Here is my harness:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11372669-post33.html
I don't remember where I bought all the parts but they were mostly from Amazon, Home Depot, and local auto parts stores. I bought the relays, dual relay harness, and fuse holders from Amazon (I think). I bought 14-4 wire from Home Depot and 14-1 (single) wire from AutoZone or PepBoys. I used 14AWG throughout. Some of the leads in the relay harness were a thinner gauge than 14AWG so I replaced them. All connections are soldered and wrapped in heat shrink.
Follow link for more pics and more info. There are pics there of the harness installed. If you check out the rest of the thread, you'll see my projector setup.
I have a relay and fuse per bulb. So 2 fuses (15 AMP ea) and 2 relays (30/40 AMP ea) for the low beams.
Here is my harness:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11372669-post33.html
I don't remember where I bought all the parts but they were mostly from Amazon, Home Depot, and local auto parts stores. I bought the relays, dual relay harness, and fuse holders from Amazon (I think). I bought 14-4 wire from Home Depot and 14-1 (single) wire from AutoZone or PepBoys. I used 14AWG throughout. Some of the leads in the relay harness were a thinner gauge than 14AWG so I replaced them. All connections are soldered and wrapped in heat shrink.
Follow link for more pics and more info. There are pics there of the harness installed. If you check out the rest of the thread, you'll see my projector setup.
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i havent really heard of HIDs being a pain in the **** for the camaros but i have heard of them being a pain on the birds.
And for VIP1 how much did the HID set up cost for your formula; asking cause i want to do HIDs on my t/a
And for VIP1 how much did the HID set up cost for your formula; asking cause i want to do HIDs on my t/a
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I bought the...
* Projectors, connectors, mounting plate from Rally Lights (not a sponsor)
* 35watt HID from LED Gauges (no longer a sponsor and there are cheaper places now)
* screws, brackets, misc from Home Depot
* additional wires, connectors, etc from Pepboys, AutoZone, etc
I don't remember the full cost, but its something like this
$165 for Projectors, connectors, mounting plate
$50 for additional connectors, wire, loom, etc (still have some left over)
$20 for screws, etc
$85 for HID (price of my current HID kit -- prices vary from $60 - $140)
$70 for upgraded harness (I'm guessing at this price since I don't remember)
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$390 Total (I probably forgetting something)
[post 14 from my install thread quotes a different number, I've adjusted this number to show the current setup instead of the original setup.]
I've spent more than that over the course of the project since I've made some changes.
(My original HID kit was $250, so you can add that and other miscellaneous costs to that total to get to a closer number of what I've spent over the years. My current HID kit was about $85 and that is the amount I listed in the cost breakdown above.)
That doesn't include the cost of rivets, flashing, epoxy, silicon, bondo, etc used in modifying the shrouds. I don't remember how much that cost.
You could probably reproduce my setup for under $350 depending on what parts you may already have, where you buy parts, and if you skip steps. I have plenty of materials left over (wire, flashing, silicone, .... etc).
I have not yet posted pics of the 55watt kit installed. I need to do some tweaking first.
Check out the Lighting FAQ for more information on my setup and others.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/appearanc...hting-faq.html
My setup is one of the easiest to do, but there are setups with better output.
(TSX & FX projectors come to mind, but involve more work to seal/encase since they are bare projectors.)
* Projectors, connectors, mounting plate from Rally Lights (not a sponsor)
* 35watt HID from LED Gauges (no longer a sponsor and there are cheaper places now)
* screws, brackets, misc from Home Depot
* additional wires, connectors, etc from Pepboys, AutoZone, etc
I don't remember the full cost, but its something like this
$165 for Projectors, connectors, mounting plate
$50 for additional connectors, wire, loom, etc (still have some left over)
$20 for screws, etc
$85 for HID (price of my current HID kit -- prices vary from $60 - $140)
$70 for upgraded harness (I'm guessing at this price since I don't remember)
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$390 Total (I probably forgetting something)
[post 14 from my install thread quotes a different number, I've adjusted this number to show the current setup instead of the original setup.]
I've spent more than that over the course of the project since I've made some changes.
(My original HID kit was $250, so you can add that and other miscellaneous costs to that total to get to a closer number of what I've spent over the years. My current HID kit was about $85 and that is the amount I listed in the cost breakdown above.)
That doesn't include the cost of rivets, flashing, epoxy, silicon, bondo, etc used in modifying the shrouds. I don't remember how much that cost.
You could probably reproduce my setup for under $350 depending on what parts you may already have, where you buy parts, and if you skip steps. I have plenty of materials left over (wire, flashing, silicone, .... etc).
I have not yet posted pics of the 55watt kit installed. I need to do some tweaking first.
Check out the Lighting FAQ for more information on my setup and others.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/appearanc...hting-faq.html
My setup is one of the easiest to do, but there are setups with better output.
(TSX & FX projectors come to mind, but involve more work to seal/encase since they are bare projectors.)
Last edited by VIP1; 04-22-2009 at 05:57 PM.
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unless i find where the two wires from the stock plugs tie together and put the relay before that???
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* No dangling live wires
* If one relay blows you still have one working light
* If one fuse blows you still have one working light
With only one relay and one fuse, if anything blows you have no lights. That's a bad idea.
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I don't think independent relays and fuses are overkill. I think its the right way to do it.
* No dangling live wires
* If one relay blows you still have one working light
* If one fuse blows you still have one working light
With only one relay and one fuse, if anything blows you have no lights. That's a bad idea.
* No dangling live wires
* If one relay blows you still have one working light
* If one fuse blows you still have one working light
With only one relay and one fuse, if anything blows you have no lights. That's a bad idea.
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do you happen to know where the factory wires to the lights tie together? so i can run just one relay for both lights but have no dangling live wires...
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I took pictures of the three pages:
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According to what I can gather, normal headlamp operation via the switch does not involve any relay or blade fuse. The power comes through a fusible link to the headlamp switch, to the hi/lo dimmer switch, and then on to the headlamps (and headlamp door module on the Firebird which has (2) 15amp mini blade fuses).
The DRL module on the other hand has an internal relay to turn on the low beam headlights and it also gets its power through the same fusible link. The Camaro and Canadian Firebird have a light sensor that tells the DRL when to turn on the headlamps. The USA Firebird does not have the light sensor so you can ignore that internal relay in regards to headlamp operation.
The fog lights on the other hand share a 20amp fuse with the taillights and other items and have their own relay in the fuse block under hood.
Since Whitebird00 is a master at this stuff, hopefully he'll correct me if I reading the schematic incorrectly.
Either way, it looks like the power comes from a single source, a fusible link, which I have not actually seen in person.
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what about if i run both of the stock headlight harnesses together into a single power/ground harness then run one relay off of that? will that work? or would it short something out?
i just dont want a hot wire dangling around... i want all plugs to be used. and i really dont want a 4 relays (2 headlights/2 foglights) under the hood cluttering things up.
i just dont want a hot wire dangling around... i want all plugs to be used. and i really dont want a 4 relays (2 headlights/2 foglights) under the hood cluttering things up.
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Originally Posted by Onyx Z
what about if i run both of the stock headlight harnesses together into a single power/ground harness then run one relay off of that? will that work? or would it short something out?
Maybe Whitebird00 or someone else can confirm.
Check out the harness thread in the University section of HID Planet's forums for plenty more info on building a harness.
Originally Posted by Onyx Z
i just dont want a hot wire dangling around... i want all plugs to be used. and i really dont want a 4 relays (2 headlights/2 foglights) under the hood cluttering things up.
(Just make sure to clean off the rust where you connect the wires for power and ground. I used a wire brush and file.)
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Since I've upgraded to 55watt, I didn't want to take any chances.
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My system is completely side-independent just like you are describing.
I have a relay and fuse per bulb. So 2 fuses (15 AMP ea) and 2 relays (30/40 AMP ea) for the low beams.
Here is my harness:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11372669-post33.html
I don't remember where I bought all the parts but they were mostly from Amazon, Home Depot, and local auto parts stores. I bought the relays, dual relay harness, and fuse holders from Amazon (I think). I bought 14-4 wire from Home Depot and 14-1 (single) wire from AutoZone or PepBoys. I used 14AWG throughout. Some of the leads in the relay harness were a thinner gauge than 14AWG so I replaced them. All connections are soldered and wrapped in heat shrink.
Follow link for more pics and more info. There are pics there of the harness installed. If you check out the rest of the thread, you'll see my projector setup.
I have a relay and fuse per bulb. So 2 fuses (15 AMP ea) and 2 relays (30/40 AMP ea) for the low beams.
Here is my harness:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11372669-post33.html
I don't remember where I bought all the parts but they were mostly from Amazon, Home Depot, and local auto parts stores. I bought the relays, dual relay harness, and fuse holders from Amazon (I think). I bought 14-4 wire from Home Depot and 14-1 (single) wire from AutoZone or PepBoys. I used 14AWG throughout. Some of the leads in the relay harness were a thinner gauge than 14AWG so I replaced them. All connections are soldered and wrapped in heat shrink.
Follow link for more pics and more info. There are pics there of the harness installed. If you check out the rest of the thread, you'll see my projector setup.
Last edited by Onyx Z; 04-27-2009 at 11:42 PM.
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I don't have anything written down. I typically do things by stitching together knowledge and first hand experience to get the job done. I'll have to draw something up and get back to you.