goof4080

Lol, possibly literally. I just replaced mine a month ago so I'm pretty pissed i had to pay full price, but I figured I'd pass this along.

from 85 to 40bucks each!!!
Time to do that sail panel subwoofer replacement, for dirt cheap.
(pontiacs need the 4ohm subs and chevy's the 2ohm)

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...products_id=33

By the way, I did the swap and It's amazing. I only used a 3/8" plywood spacer and didn't cut any holes...
install link.

Redlinez

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So, pick the D4 for a Pontiac sail replacement? Man, those are cheap. I was about to buy the Bazookas, but really didn't want to spend that much right now. Looks like you gotta make a spacer and that's about it.

WhiteBird00

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Both Firebirds and Camaros need the 4-ohm DVC version. In a Firebird you wire the two coils to the two channels from the amp. In a Camaro you wire the two voice coils together in parallel to produce the equivalent of a 2-ohm single voice coil.

goof4080

yeah d-4. and the space is really simple, some people even make them out of styrene

goof4080

so why not just by the D2 for the camaro and have the 2 ohm without running it in parallel?

Maybe i'm wrong as I haven't really done the research for the cars i don't have...but i know how the pontiac's go for sure.

Engine_HP

iTrader: (1)

if u run them in parallel ull get 1ohm load, if u run them in series ul get 4 ohm load,
u should have gotten the d4s

goof4080

i have the d4's and ran each wire to each wire....if u will. i clipped the harness off the old woofers and then ran that to each of the ports....4 wires to 4 ports..

the camaro only has 2 wires....

WhiteBird00

iTrader: (4)

Yes, your Firebird has 4-ohm dual voice coil subs from the factory so replacing with eD 4-ohm DVC subs is a simple matter of hooking up the four wires.

Camaros have 2-ohm single voice coil subs so they have just one pair of wires that should produce a 2-ohm load for the amp. If you use 2-ohm DVC subs, you'll have to connect only one of the two voice coils - losing about half your power. You can't wire the two voice coils together in parallel because you end up with a 1-ohm load that the amp can't handle. And if you wire the two voice coils together in series you end up with a 4-ohm load which still cuts your power in half.

That's why you need the same 4-ohm DVC sub in a Camaro as in a Firebird. You wire the two voice coils together in parallel to create a 2-ohm load and then connect the resulting two wires to the factory pair of wires. In essence you are converting a 4-ohm DVC sub into a 2-ohm SVC sub.

goof4080

well said. I've seen the wiring diagram for the camaro, just thought it was for the D2's(didn't bother to pay too much attention about a different application)...but I understand perfectly now..

Redlinez

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And duh, they aren't much less than the Bazookas..... Hmm

The Project

FYI...

I've read on a few car audio forums people complaining about Elemental Designs customer service and (lack of) warrenty replacement.

The Alchemist

iTrader: (19)

Do you have to use a spacer? Can I simply cut out the rear for venting and not use a spacer?

WhiteBird00

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You would have to cut a hole big enough for the entire magnet to fit through. I'm not sure that's a good idea or even if there's enough room to do that.

pentavolvo

its hit or miss some cars they fit no spacer, others need spacers

Redlinez

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I gotta get either these or the audiopipes. Can't take it anymore.

Redlinez

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I just ordered the ED's. Now to find/make two spacers.

DANSBIRD

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Would these be a good start for what I'm looking for?

https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...ions-my-t.html




thanks.

Redlinez

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For sail speakers, yes. That's why I bought them.