I like mine with BBQ sauce!

 

wuts fishy?

 

I seemed to have more torque down low.I got there first,yes I won if that is what you meant. Both cars are slow lol!

 

check out moddedmustangs.com and there are several bolt on s197's in the twelves..

first one that comes to mind has full exhaust, tune, intake, and pullies with drag radials...he ran 12.6 at 107

next one was exhaust, tune, intake, and maybe drag radials...he ran 12.9 and has since put in 4.10's

 

Nice kill OP...anything can happen on the street.

 

Are you sure it's just ambient temps? It may also be due to timing at normal operating temps, especially with newer cars.

SRT-8s have that issue - at a normal operating temperature of 203 degrees, they are considerably slower than, say 160 degrees.

This is one reason why they are faster on the street than the so-so results some see at the dragstrip.

That's not really fair. I could say the same about low 13sec stock LS2 GTOs from what I've seen at the track - but I know what they are capable of.

Very true. Nice one.

 

well deuuuce wut can i do about it? i know its a timing issue ive been told that by my buddy who works for ford. i have a tuner but im not sure i can do anything about it. i know it will run a littler slower not matter wut but its almost embarrasing running a half a second slower sometime and trapping 4-5 mph slower.

 

What SRT-8 owners do is install a lower temp thermostat and at the track, use the Diablo Tuner to have the cooling fans turn on very, very early (selectable temperature settings).

Also, use ice and push the car if you have to.

 

ive already set my temps to the lowest setting. im ganna have to start iceing it down

 

Believe you dont more torque anywhere on an LS2 motor. You got the better raction time hence his better time and trap but you tripping the lights first. He was running your *** hard at the end.

 

My guess is that you have been told that with a CAI/Tune alone they trap 107's, well, maybe they do at Atco on a 40F day. but what car doesn't love triple digits negative DA's ????

Read from the owners themselves, you can start from the last page, or from the first page, it does't really matter. let's see how many of them trap at 107 with CAI and Tune. i think you're spending too much time over SVTperformance where every damn Cobra runs 12.4's@115mph bone stock, and the Mach1's are just missing that mark by .2's bone stock

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...official+1%2F4

 

13.70 to a 13.50 That ford would not have a chance

 

Can you log IAT's and timing ? , i bet you would find more timing been drop when your IAT's are high compared to High ECT', is not your coolant temp what slow you down unless you have heating problems. it's your IAT settings. In the Goats, GM set the IAT timing drop to 1* at 86F, and it's like 3* at 100F, 7 or 8* at 113or 120F i don't remember on top of my head, but guess what, in the Goats, just sitting at a light for 5 min can put the IAT's in the 140f range, so there is a lot of timing been pulled out the engine just because the IAT is high, in this cars we have to give props to the engineer who put the IAT sensor just above the radiator, great engineering

I've just adjusted my fan settings to run just a tad cooler ECT when the engine is at operating temp, High speed fan would activate at 212F before, now it does it at 204, i've also modified the low speed fan so the ECT is not going any higher than 196F in traffic, also removed some of that IAT timing at certain temps, also removed engine torque managment,etc, but i do have a full tuning solution, so it does a lot more than the xcal, i have exactly what an LSx shop would use to tune any LSx PCM so no more $400 non-sense "Pro" tunes for me, or bs can tunes,

Find out if you can upgrade your Xcal for something that would give you more custom control. the Xcal pro shops have the option to do so, i just don't know what they use or how much it would cost you.

 

Deuuce, this is one of the 1/4 mile lists we have over ls1gto.com, this one is for N/A LS2 Goats, i think there is a big difference between what a S197 stang can do against LS2 Goats. time slips are listed in a thread in 1/4 mile section, alone with the mods. here is just the first 2 classes, stock and what we call, super stock (your regular Joe with small Mods)

LS2 Super Stock
Allowed: Tuning, exhaust mods after manifolds, underdrive pulley, shifters, ported intake manifold, drag radials, CAI, Throttle body,etc
Not allowed: Headers, aftermarket torque converters. No gear lower then 3.46. , Last Updated: 12/15/2008

1) A4, 05 red tomcat, 12.40@111.62, 1.827 60', CAI, SLP CB, MT DR's, Drag Bags, Predator tune,
2) M6, Lord Vador, 12.52@111.091, 1.8 60', Removed MAF screen, no mufflers, Drag Bags, DRs
3) M6, Slow Sho 12.54 @ 111.74 Catback, Nitto's
4) M6, MoonShiner, 12.550@111.05 1.870 60' Catback, CAI, Tune, GMM, Nittos
5) A4, 8100hammer, 12.60@111.21 A4 Tune only
6) A4, andrewzpsu, 12.660@110.15 1.914 60', Tune
7) M6, fjpelkey2001, 12.700@110.33 K&N drop in, CB, Gutted Cats
8) M6, Commanderrrob, 12.755@109.61 1.864 60', Vol CAI, Predator, Drag Bags,DR's
9) M6, Scottsred05gto, 12.759@108.49 1.852 60', Tune, DR's
10) M6, hellhammer, 12.76 @ 108.5 MPH Headlight Removed and DRs
11) A4, EZ SPEED, 12.776@108.47 ,Flow 44s, SF H Pipe, Tune
12) A4, Phutty2000, 12.79@109 2.018 60', CAI, Super 40's, Predator
13) M6, Joe6pt0, 12.807@107.94 1.879 60', Borla CB, Tune
14) M6, Snkpoison, 12.808@109.66mph 1.961 60', SLP LM1,Predator,GMM Shifter
15) M6, speedracer33, 12.818@108.18 P&P TB, Ported Intake, Nitto DR, Tune
16) M6, ironmancan, 12.837@108.60 1.912 60', Ripshift, Nittos, Drag bags
17) M6, 05GTOM6, 12.838@108.31 1.8 60' - MTs, CAI
18) A4, 1Badazzride, 12.867@107.66 1.91 60' Flow 44s, K&N CAI, SF H pipe, Tune
19) M6, SloNlo_350, 12.870 @ 109.51 MPH RWTD dyno tune
20) M6, SSport, 12.887@108.26 1.971 60' Intake, Shifter
21) M6, Vhalin, 12.90 @ 107 Tune, DRs
22) A4, '91 formula, 12.916@107.58 1.934 60', Volant CAI, MAF Descreened, Tune
23) M6, TJT, 12.916 @ 107.1 mph GMM Ripshift, Magnaflow CB, Nittos, Drag Bags
24) M6, spicered06, 12.93@ 107.7 1.90 60' Ripshift, KN drop in, Drag Bags.
25) M6, Floman, 12.932@105.23 1.848 60', Nittos
26) M6, JTSnooks, 12.94@108.97 2.011 60', Flow Super 40, SF H pipe, Predator
27) M6, Commissar, 12.95@106.95, Shifter, Drag bags
28) A4, CoolAid, 12.991@108.383, P&P TB/Intake, IAT Re-Locate, Weld-In Mufflers, TM reduction
29) A4, SS44, 13.01 @ 105.27 Tune, Nittos
30) A4, slpywzl0848, 13.047@106.44 1.981 60', Flow Super 44, SF H pipe, Predator
31) A4, Nivlac, 13.099@107.09 1.982 60', Tune, CAI, Flows 40 series, Cut-Outs, 160* T, MT DR's, BMR drag bags
32) A4, RUQWKNF, 13.19@104.33 1.986 60', K&N CAI, Superchips, Flowmaster Super 44
33)


LS2 Stock Class: Last Updated: 11/02/2008

1) M6, AmishAssassin,12.82@110.33 2.060 60'
2) A4, andrewzpsu, 12.877@108.09 1.914 60'
3) A4, NYTIGER 12.920@109.40 2.033 60'
4) M6, Boilermaker GTO 12.929@106.89 1.887 60'
5) M6, Go Bucks!, 12.967@109.16 2.056 60'
6) A4, 05torridred60 12.971@108 MPH 2.01 60' SAP mufflers
7) M6, jumbojet 12.974@108.80 2.027 60'
8) M6, BlackSheep 12.98@108 MPH
9) M6, GTOboss 13.007@108.52mp
10) M6, IBM6GTO 13.025@107.73 2.056 60'
11) M6, 06PhantomGoat 13.028@106.88 1.989 60'
12) M6, KYGTO 13.035@108.96 2.018 60'
13) M6, Judgethis05 13.036@108.72
14) A4, DaveIs, 13.042@105.54 1.845 60'
15) M6, hookmechanic 13.074@106.76 1.931 60
16) M6, SLoW SHO 13.082@108.15
17) M6, SloNlo 13.086@108.75
18) A4, Southjersey, 13.09@106.63 1.984 60'
19) M6, Aerobirdmotorsports 13.098@106.91 1.988 60'
20) A4, Benzo Mike, 13.099@106.83 1.941 60'
21) M6, TheCamel 13.112@108.49 2.257 60'
22) A4, BadGTO 13.14@104.99 2.046 60'
23) A4, LS1Jeeper, 13.187@104.86 2.006 60'
24) M6, Poke GTO, 13.386@104.44 2.015 60'

 

GTOs don't fair well in 'normal' temps either... all of the top runs that people compare are done in negative DA. If you are going to dismiss a 107mph trap in negative DA then you have to dimiss the GTOs 108 and 109mphs in negative DA as well.

Do you have a link to the thread about this pass? That seems very fishy...110mph trap and a 12.82 on a 2.0 60ft? Negative 2000+ DA?? I think someone had a tune.....

 

That's just depends what "normal" temp means to you, i did trap at 107-108mph at Fontana Dragway in Jan 2006, it was about 70F, as you know fontana sits at 1200ft. granted, i wasn't "bone stock", my car had and x pipe, magnapack mufflers and LPE CAI.

and i think that 12.82 was done at Atco. i'll find out.

Edited: done at Cecil, nothing new, probably triple digit negative DA as well since it was Nov 27, 2007 ,
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204260

Now, i'll dismiss the 110mph, but i can't dismiss the 108-109's cause you don't need Negative DA's to get such traps out LS2 Goats. again, my best trap in Cali was 108.34mph with the mods i listed. i posted the slips in the charger forums cause i was comparing my ET and traps the same day a couple of srt8 chargers we running at the track. that's how i know well driven Charger SRT8's are indeed a driver race for another wll driven LS2 goat.

 

We all know GTOs are haevier than battleships and slow as molassos. Noway one ran a 12stock..

 

S8ER95Z, here is my car back in 2006 at Cali Dragway, #18 in the slips





and here is the same charger SRT8 i was comparing my slips to in the charger forums, it shows before/after ESP mode, deuuce can explain more about the ESP stuff and if it was BS back then or what. THE DA WASN'T NEGATIVE, and look at my traps, and the SRT8 traps, pretty much in line with what stockers or close to stock would do, btw, the SRT8 in the slip wasn't bone stock, it had a CAI plus the ESP mod.

 

Impressive times... your DA was actually -222Ft (with no consideration for your elevation)... it was nice cool air man. Not trying to pick a fight or disagree just to disagree but you have to admit the air you ran in was far from the air you get all summer long.

 

I actually have that link bookmarked for reference purposes.

I agree, there is a big difference, but what I was referring to was that the consistency of GTOs at the dragstrips I've beem at since '00 (Sears and Sac.) just plain suck because of the 60fts and track prep.

The 110mph doesn't count - he has a shift kit. Fair is fair.