BS thread/Rant, New found hate
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The reason why there's so many late model mustang gt owners that act like that is because they can be had for dirt cheap (less than 6,000) therefore it attracts certain groups of people (high school kids, single wide trailer park crowd). All they know is that it has a v8 therefore it must be a race car.
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Where I live sucks 
I remember when I was younger I'd cruise past the Best Buy parking lot at night and see all these cool Mustang's and WRX's with body kits and neon lighting and thought that would be so cool to have a fast car and chill with those guys and show off my car. Now that I have my WS.6 I wouldn't dream about going there. All it is is a bunch of highschool kids with no lives trying to show people how tough they are by racing on the street and getting caught by the cops.
I'll be driving and I'll see an F-body and think "Yes! Another F-body owner!" I'll haul *** and catch it and its being driven by an old lady! There's like 3 or 4 really clean 4th gens in town and they are all owned by old ladies. I've never met anyone like me in my town who likes all kinds of cars. I love built civics and cobras and vettes or anything thats fast, problem is, people here who have a fast car stay home.
I remember when I was younger I'd cruise past the Best Buy parking lot at night and see all these cool Mustang's and WRX's with body kits and neon lighting and thought that would be so cool to have a fast car and chill with those guys and show off my car. Now that I have my WS.6 I wouldn't dream about going there. All it is is a bunch of highschool kids with no lives trying to show people how tough they are by racing on the street and getting caught by the cops. I'll be driving and I'll see an F-body and think "Yes! Another F-body owner!" I'll haul *** and catch it and its being driven by an old lady! There's like 3 or 4 really clean 4th gens in town and they are all owned by old ladies.
I've never met anyone like me in my town who likes all kinds of cars. I love built civics and cobras and vettes or anything thats fast, problem is, people here who have a fast car stay home. I'm not loyal to any car brand. If its a nice car then I like it if its not then I don't. Just look at my last three cars I've had a WRX, the T/A, and now a Cobra. I got a Dodge truck too.
Being open minded is a good thing because there are good and bad cars in every brand and they all got their pro's and con's. That's my words of wisdom for the day.
Being open minded is a good thing because there are good and bad cars in every brand and they all got their pro's and con's. That's my words of wisdom for the day.
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i want to clarify, to me, it only seems like the reg mustang GTs are the ones that are cocky. they get a simple exhaust setup done, and granted it does sound good, all they ******* do is rev. i NEVER see fbodies driving around just reving all the time. im not calling ne brand out, just what i have seen
Then there's #3...like me.....a combo of hte two. 
J/K
I have to disagree with the weaker block comment. And 'under powered' is really relative when you think about it. I mean, the foxbodies had the 3rd gens the entire time. Not only that, even the years that the chevy's were quicker/faster, the stangs weren't too far behind with lower $$ and less HP. They are simply setup differently as to how they run.
Personally, they both have come out with some serious stuff throughout the decades and I'd take that over decades of imports instead.
J/K
I have to disagree with the weaker block comment. And 'under powered' is really relative when you think about it. I mean, the foxbodies had the 3rd gens the entire time. Not only that, even the years that the chevy's were quicker/faster, the stangs weren't too far behind with lower $$ and less HP. They are simply setup differently as to how they run.
Personally, they both have come out with some serious stuff throughout the decades and I'd take that over decades of imports instead.
Don't get me wrong, I like Mustangs. I'm just recognizing which brand offers the best bang for the buck in each area; Engine, Weight, susp, rear end! Ford has a superior rear end since day one, and had the good sense to use the 8.8 while GM had the 10 bolt. SBF had Symmetrical intake ports when Chevy still had Siamese. The Fast Ford guys had great 60 ft times long before us torque arm guys did.
If your doing a analysis based on cost, Power, drivability, mod-ability and robustness on a whole vehicle, it may be a wash. Based on Engine, its about imposible to beat the latest LS engines. Either one, they are both a best bang for the buck when compared to any import.
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Sounds good man.
You are looking at but one aspect.
What about the Hipo289 that could spin at 8k rpms like know one's business...from teh factory. What about the factory aluminum modular blocks that are running 1000 hp and factory short blocks that are handling 800+?
I'm not saying they are better....I'm saying if you weigh out the decades, they'll be pretty even in the big picture.
Hate to say it, but after experiencing cranks getting blown out the bottom on stock 5.0 block and 351w blocks, the equivalant Chevy small block is stronger. Pat Musi and David V, built a stock 350 nitrous short block in the early to mid eighties that they brought up to well over 1000 HP before it cracked between the cam journals. Traditional sbf will block will eject its crank shaft 100's of horsepower below that.
Don't get me wrong, I like Mustangs. I'm just recognizing which brand offers the best bang for the buck in each area; Engine, Weight, susp, rear end! Ford has a superior rear end since day one, and had the good sense to use the 8.8 while GM had the 10 bolt. SBF had Symmetrical intake ports when Chevy still had Siamese. The Fast Ford guys had great 60 ft times long before us torque arm guys did.
If your doing a analysis based on cost, Power, drivability, mod-ability and robustness on a whole vehicle, it may be a wash. Based on Engine, its about imposible to beat the latest LS engines. Either one, they are both a best bang for the buck when compared to any import.
Don't get me wrong, I like Mustangs. I'm just recognizing which brand offers the best bang for the buck in each area; Engine, Weight, susp, rear end! Ford has a superior rear end since day one, and had the good sense to use the 8.8 while GM had the 10 bolt. SBF had Symmetrical intake ports when Chevy still had Siamese. The Fast Ford guys had great 60 ft times long before us torque arm guys did.
If your doing a analysis based on cost, Power, drivability, mod-ability and robustness on a whole vehicle, it may be a wash. Based on Engine, its about imposible to beat the latest LS engines. Either one, they are both a best bang for the buck when compared to any import.
What about the Hipo289 that could spin at 8k rpms like know one's business...from teh factory. What about the factory aluminum modular blocks that are running 1000 hp and factory short blocks that are handling 800+?
I'm not saying they are better....I'm saying if you weigh out the decades, they'll be pretty even in the big picture.
Sounds good man.
You are looking at but one aspect.
What about the Hipo289 that could spin at 8k rpms like know one's business...from teh factory. What about the factory aluminum modular blocks that are running 1000 hp and factory short blocks that are handling 800+?
I'm not saying they are better....I'm saying if you weigh out the decades, they'll be pretty even in the big picture.
You are looking at but one aspect.
What about the Hipo289 that could spin at 8k rpms like know one's business...from teh factory. What about the factory aluminum modular blocks that are running 1000 hp and factory short blocks that are handling 800+?
I'm not saying they are better....I'm saying if you weigh out the decades, they'll be pretty even in the big picture.
Once you switch to a race Ford or aftermarket block, all of these issues go away anyway.
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The Hipo 289 were great engines, but the failure mode in any of the "stock" conventional sbf at elevated hp levels has been not enough material above the main caps; webbing to cam tunnel area. Even the 69-70 Windsor blocks will fail here, before a sbc will. I really wish they put more material there and I would probably do more nitrous sbf Ford engines if this wasn't a problem. Besides the 4 head bolts per cylinder, I believe this is the only major gripe I have when using a stock sbf past the 500 or 600+/- hp range depending on what year block used. I won't jump on the mod motors, they have there own issues.
Once you switch to a race Ford or aftermarket block, all of these issues go away anyway.
Once you switch to a race Ford or aftermarket block, all of these issues go away anyway.
Thanks for not getting on a **** storm and keeping this civil.
IMO, all blocks have issues at one point or another....and you're never guaranteed. It's part of the 'sport'.
Sorry man...but I know what you mean. The sad part is, the mustang has been since it's existance the entry level performance car. Only until the recent decade have the really come out (generally, I ain't going into specifics so please guys, no BS comments). As a result, the young people that can afford them pick them up. And with youth comes inexperience and ignorance along with arrogance. it sucks.
however, I have a lot of fun making htem look dumb and slapping them with my humble meat and potatoes. how it goes after that, is up to them. I can be cool, or continue to be an *** and make you feel stupid. LOL. IDC what you drive, I hate arrogance.
Is that local guy on SVTP.com? I might have to look him up one of these days.
however, I have a lot of fun making htem look dumb and slapping them with my humble meat and potatoes. how it goes after that, is up to them. I can be cool, or continue to be an *** and make you feel stupid. LOL. IDC what you drive, I hate arrogance.
Is that local guy on SVTP.com? I might have to look him up one of these days.
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ive run plenty of cocky, arrogent older men in mustangs...youth has nothing to do with it, it's the type of people mustangs appeal too. And yes I cant stand the mustang group, they no nothing about cars and perfomance and will bench race like a ****. It's good to see a mustang owner that isnt like this.
And as for knowing nothing abour cars and performance......I think that is a vastly exhaggerated stereotype. Much like mullets and fbods. Plenty of guys on here that don't know much about cars too. Ask me how I know.
good to see a stang owner that isnt like this? I'd like to think a fair amount of us stang guys on LS1tech are like that.
Easy dude it goes with the territory bro. A performance car is generally the extension of a guys manhood. It doesn't matter what type of car it is there is always some ******* that owns that brand. I have seen ******** in all makes, and really haven't seen anymore with Mustang owners, we are generally around them more so we see more ********. I had a Vette and there were ******** there to. So lighten up and like Pony says try to educate them, and if they don't want to hear it tell them **** off.
By far the smartest thing I have read on this sight!
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Yes, I would assume that all of the current mustang members of LS1Tech completely understand this, because if not wow good luck **** talking thousands of chevy guys in your ford......and winning....lol
Most of these engines, and specifically the blocks, both sbc and sbfs are living at more than 2 times their original factory hp ratings. They were never designed around being able to handle a little more than the original factory hp numbers.
Personally speaking, I havent found any production motor that matches the power making capability and robustness of a big block Chevy, but thats a different discussion.
3600 lb, 8:71, two Big shot plates of nitrous on a 1973 2 Bolt 454.
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Yep, debate is good. It may generate ideas to improve on what may not have considered otherwise. If they (Stock Engines) performed to our expectations out of the box there wouldn't be an aftermarket.
Most of these engines, and specifically the blocks, both sbc and sbfs are living at more than 2 times their original factory hp ratings. They were never designed around being able to handle a little more than the original factory hp numbers.
Personally speaking, I havent found any production motor that matches the power making capability and robustness of a big block Chevy, but thats a different discussion.
3600 lb, 8:71, two Big shot plates of nitrous on a 1973 2 Bolt 454.
Most of these engines, and specifically the blocks, both sbc and sbfs are living at more than 2 times their original factory hp ratings. They were never designed around being able to handle a little more than the original factory hp numbers.
Personally speaking, I havent found any production motor that matches the power making capability and robustness of a big block Chevy, but thats a different discussion.
3600 lb, 8:71, two Big shot plates of nitrous on a 1973 2 Bolt 454.
It's one of those everyone has their own opinion and belief topics. SOme like to push, and some just like to talk.
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