These darn turbo Cobalt's starting more trouble....Cobalt SS vs 2001'ish Mustang GT
11-27-2009, 01:39 PM
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Unfortunately I don't think we'll be hearing from him. The fastest LNF Cobalt to date that isn't a shop car has much more than $2000 into it, and ran a best of 12.2 @ 112.
11-27-2009, 02:55 PM
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Well my car is not a shop car and I know it will beat a 12.2 @ 112. Unfortunately it has about $12000 in it and at that i don't know how realiably it will be and im done sinking money in it.
11-27-2009, 09:04 PM
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First off let me say im not a cobalt fanboy but i have a 07 2.2 auto for my dd great car gets between 28 to 33 mpg's all for about 13 g's new, 60000 miles drive it pretty hard no problems except that damn keyswitch prob
11-27-2009, 10:19 PM
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I would build the below GTO and ask the person stating otherwise about the Cobalt to write up a similar build sheet with new parts pricing (and sources) and compare what we both think they would run.
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2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
Vindicator cam: $399.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Cam install kit (springs, etc): $469.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever's leftover since there's no set store price and we can all find cheap tuners
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
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That's a high 11-second car with a high 11X trap, possibly quicker with a good driver.
DDS: feel free to post up a $2k build on a turbo Cobalt and we'll compare. I know very little about them so it's very possible you'll eSTOMP my 2004 GTO on the internet. I'm a reasonable guy who's willing to admit defeat if you can show how you'd do it.
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2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
Vindicator cam: $399.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Cam install kit (springs, etc): $469.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever's leftover since there's no set store price and we can all find cheap tuners
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
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That's a high 11-second car with a high 11X trap, possibly quicker with a good driver.
DDS: feel free to post up a $2k build on a turbo Cobalt and we'll compare. I know very little about them so it's very possible you'll eSTOMP my 2004 GTO on the internet. I'm a reasonable guy who's willing to admit defeat if you can show how you'd do it.
I'd slap a USED wet kit on the geeteeohhh (including fuel and nitrous pressure gauges)with a cutout and call it a day. $300-400MAX. Tires are a given.
HEY SLO SHO..nosho... U got NOTHIN'... huh. No slip- no car- nothing. WHERE IS YOUR SLIP? Ahahahaha.
I'd be happy to put up MY REAL $2k build of my real '03 EVO and take out your eGEETEEOHHH.
Actually.... IX turbo= 475
GSCs1 cams= 350
AMS TBE=400
HallmanMBC=50
All parts including the cams are used.
as yet to be tuned by AMS on their dyno=400
I'm under the $2k line and only paid $9900 for the car.
Oh... Yule Brenners are fine for me to run on.... sticky tires... who cares.
This little shitbox absolutely ROCKS.
I think it would be a drivers' race but I'd like the odds much better on the street than at the track as a little wheelspin means my **** won't break!lol
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11-27-2009, 10:22 PM
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that was his goat i posted the vid off.
just dont go and stir the pot and bring up my kill post of an A4 ls1 goat :hide:
and that was a very good writeup of what you would do.
i think that would do it for the cobal/goat war
with 2k i would:
tune, slicks, charge pipe, downpipe, not sure if a turbo upgrade would be in that budget.
either way, should be able to hit low 12 but hell, with 2k i would throw 1500 in the camaro
thank you for humoring me
11-27-2009, 10:42 PM
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Just heard today on the radio- 72months $13.80 per $1000 financed for ALL 09 Cobalts... I think you could be in one right around $275/month?
Nice car for that coin...
11-27-2009, 11:01 PM
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well, i wanted the cobalt ss.. my wife was against it because she didn't want me dumping money into another car..
so, we got a scion.. but i kinda wonder how life would be with an ss.. long story short now i got more money for my ws6..
so, we got a scion.. but i kinda wonder how life would be with an ss.. long story short now i got more money for my ws6..
11-28-2009, 12:06 AM
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I walked a 24PSI trifecta tuned car a week ago and I am only on 20PSI. 26 PSI is WAY past the threshold of the turbo all he is doing is creating heat. I wouldn't be surprised if his cobalt made 275. In other words, its a dog. Why don't you run a proper dyno tuned cobalt with a good driver. The outcome will be MUCH more interesting.
11-28-2009, 12:31 AM
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I would build the below GTO and ask the person stating otherwise about the Cobalt to write up a similar build sheet with new parts pricing (and sources) and compare what we both think they would run.
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2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
Vindicator cam: $399.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Cam install kit (springs, etc): $469.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever's leftover since there's no set store price and we can all find cheap tuners
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
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That's a high 11-second car with a high 11X trap, possibly quicker with a good driver.
DDS: feel free to post up a $2k build on a turbo Cobalt and we'll compare. I know very little about them so it's very possible you'll eSTOMP my 2004 GTO on the internet. I'm a reasonable guy who's willing to admit defeat if you can show how you'd do it.
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2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
Vindicator cam: $399.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Cam install kit (springs, etc): $469.99 (Vengeance Racing)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever's leftover since there's no set store price and we can all find cheap tuners
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
----------------------------------
That's a high 11-second car with a high 11X trap, possibly quicker with a good driver.
DDS: feel free to post up a $2k build on a turbo Cobalt and we'll compare. I know very little about them so it's very possible you'll eSTOMP my 2004 GTO on the internet. I'm a reasonable guy who's willing to admit defeat if you can show how you'd do it.
Here is the Cobalt spec sheet.
Dejon Intake-130
Mandrel bent exhaust-300-450 either used or new, there are a lot of options.
ZZP 3inch catless DP -179
Intercooler kit and pipes - 600
Manual Boost Controller to run 23 PSI- 60 electric controlled wastegate without one can run 22.
Dyno tune - 250-350
2 16' Rims -150
Tire 250-300
125-150 lb weight reduction-free
WHP-330-350 TQ 350-400 total cost
And all these parts are quality. Unlike the pacesetters. You also forgot to list mid pipes for said pacesetters. So add another $100, Plus you will need tire to have a chance.
So lets look at that.
Cobalt - 330-350WHP , 2800lbs without driver, with traction
GTO - 370-390 WHP, 3500 lbs without driver, spinning through 2nd.
From a roll you are toast. 40 -130 = game over.
Good writeup, didn't think of being civil about it, just felt like stating the obvious that the statement was retarded. That setup is pretty much what I'd to too. It's a shame you put so much effort into finding legit prices and what not, the Cobalt guy was just spewing nonsense and probably won't be heard of for a rebuttle 
The "ZZP" Car is some guys car who WORKS at ZZP as like a parts salesman. Hardly a shop car.
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11-28-2009, 09:40 AM
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As for 20psi Cobalts beating ones with upgraded intercoolers on 27psi, HA. Sure the turbo makes more heat, that's why the intercooler is bigger. Like I said, tune only Cobalts get slapped silly, the only LNF to come close was Pookie's everysingle bolt on + inifiniboost tune, and he still lost by a solid 3-4 cars, in roll races!
Too bad we'll never see the race between Joe's E-GTO and this mystical 350whp (195whp @ redline) stock turbo Cobalt.
And since when did beating Cobalts make me think my car traps 130? I know my place. I run with cars around here all the time that beat me, who trap nowhere near 130. PSM's cam only z28 did about 117 and he pulled me 1-2 cars.
I'll entertain you guys with some videos...
Me vs a Cammed CTS-V and a Z51 c6 Vette.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/G...ock_706899.htm
Me @ the track on stock tires.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/G...aro_707980.htm
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11-28-2009, 09:41 AM
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Hey--- how about a little love for my MITSU????? Can I play too? lol.
BTW...I'm wondering what either of your recipes will do for your WARRANTY???!!??? lol.
PS... WHERE IS YOUR SLIP BS SLOSHO????
BTW...I'm wondering what either of your recipes will do for your WARRANTY???!!??? lol.
PS... WHERE IS YOUR SLIP BS SLOSHO????
There is no way a Cam only ls1gto on the stock catback is trapping anywhere NEAR high 11teen. More like a 112-113 car. If that. Take your 200lb's out to get down to 3500-3550 without driver.
Here is the Cobalt spec sheet.
Dejon Intake-130
Mandrel bent exhaust-300-450 either used or new, there are a lot of options.
ZZP 3inch catless DP -179
Intercooler kit and pipes - 600
Manual Boost Controller to run 23 PSI- 60 electric controlled wastegate without one can run 22.
Dyno tune - 250-350
2 16' Rims -150
Tire 250-300
125-150 lb weight reduction-free
WHP-330-350 TQ 350-400 total cost
And all these parts are quality. Unlike the pacesetters. You also forgot to list mid pipes for said pacesetters. So add another $100, Plus you will need tire to have a chance.
So lets look at that.
Cobalt - 330-350WHP , 2800lbs without driver, with traction
GTO - 370-390 WHP, 3500 lbs without driver, spinning through 2nd.
From a roll you are toast. 40 -130 = game over.
You don't know how to be civil, you think your LS2 GTO with headers nittos and a tune is like a god, Its actually really slow. Your story hasn't changed since in 2 or 3 years. Header only slow *** LS2 GTO. Talkin like it traps 130.
What slo sho fails to realize is he is stuck on Cobaltss.net times when those people are stuck on trifecta tuning, well I hate to break it to you slo sho but the fastest cobalts out there are tuned on a DYNO. There are also plenty of people trapping over 112 that aren't "shop" cars, Are you serious? The ZZP car was on the STOCK turbo, So they put some bolt ons and tuned it on a DYNO like I said earlier, Whats next you calling my cobalt a shop car because I have a reputable shop tune it with bolt ons on the dyno? A shop car is a built turbo swapped cobalt not a stock bottom end cobalt with a few bolt ons and a real tune. Just proves you know nothing.
The "ZZP" Car is some guys car who WORKS at ZZP as like a parts salesman. Hardly a shop car.
Here is the Cobalt spec sheet.
Dejon Intake-130
Mandrel bent exhaust-300-450 either used or new, there are a lot of options.
ZZP 3inch catless DP -179
Intercooler kit and pipes - 600
Manual Boost Controller to run 23 PSI- 60 electric controlled wastegate without one can run 22.
Dyno tune - 250-350
2 16' Rims -150
Tire 250-300
125-150 lb weight reduction-free
WHP-330-350 TQ 350-400 total cost
And all these parts are quality. Unlike the pacesetters. You also forgot to list mid pipes for said pacesetters. So add another $100, Plus you will need tire to have a chance.
So lets look at that.
Cobalt - 330-350WHP , 2800lbs without driver, with traction
GTO - 370-390 WHP, 3500 lbs without driver, spinning through 2nd.
From a roll you are toast. 40 -130 = game over.
You don't know how to be civil, you think your LS2 GTO with headers nittos and a tune is like a god, Its actually really slow. Your story hasn't changed since in 2 or 3 years. Header only slow *** LS2 GTO. Talkin like it traps 130.
What slo sho fails to realize is he is stuck on Cobaltss.net times when those people are stuck on trifecta tuning, well I hate to break it to you slo sho but the fastest cobalts out there are tuned on a DYNO. There are also plenty of people trapping over 112 that aren't "shop" cars, Are you serious? The ZZP car was on the STOCK turbo, So they put some bolt ons and tuned it on a DYNO like I said earlier, Whats next you calling my cobalt a shop car because I have a reputable shop tune it with bolt ons on the dyno? A shop car is a built turbo swapped cobalt not a stock bottom end cobalt with a few bolt ons and a real tune. Just proves you know nothing.
The "ZZP" Car is some guys car who WORKS at ZZP as like a parts salesman. Hardly a shop car.
11-28-2009, 09:47 AM
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There is no way a Cam only ls1gto on the stock catback is trapping anywhere NEAR high 11teen. More like a 112-113 car. If that. Take your 200lb's out to get down to 3500-3550 without driver.
Here is the Cobalt spec sheet.
Dejon Intake-130
Mandrel bent exhaust-300-450 either used or new, there are a lot of options.
ZZP 3inch catless DP -179
Intercooler kit and pipes - 600
Manual Boost Controller to run 23 PSI- 60 electric controlled wastegate without one can run 22.
Dyno tune - 250-350
2 16' Rims -150
Tire 250-300
125-150 lb weight reduction-free
WHP-330-350 TQ 350-400 total cost
And all these parts are quality. Unlike the pacesetters. You also forgot to list mid pipes for said pacesetters. So add another $100, Plus you will need tire to have a chance.
So lets look at that.
Cobalt - 330-350WHP , 2800lbs without driver, with traction
GTO - 370-390 WHP, 3500 lbs without driver, spinning through 2nd.
From a roll you are toast. 40 -130 = game over.
You don't know how to be civil, you think your LS2 GTO with headers nittos and a tune is like a god, Its actually really slow. Your story hasn't changed since in 2 or 3 years. Header only slow *** LS2 GTO. Talkin like it traps 130.
Here is the Cobalt spec sheet.
Dejon Intake-130
Mandrel bent exhaust-300-450 either used or new, there are a lot of options.
ZZP 3inch catless DP -179
Intercooler kit and pipes - 600
Manual Boost Controller to run 23 PSI- 60 electric controlled wastegate without one can run 22.
Dyno tune - 250-350
2 16' Rims -150
Tire 250-300
125-150 lb weight reduction-free
WHP-330-350 TQ 350-400 total cost
And all these parts are quality. Unlike the pacesetters. You also forgot to list mid pipes for said pacesetters. So add another $100, Plus you will need tire to have a chance.
So lets look at that.
Cobalt - 330-350WHP , 2800lbs without driver, with traction
GTO - 370-390 WHP, 3500 lbs without driver, spinning through 2nd.
From a roll you are toast. 40 -130 = game over.
You don't know how to be civil, you think your LS2 GTO with headers nittos and a tune is like a god, Its actually really slow. Your story hasn't changed since in 2 or 3 years. Header only slow *** LS2 GTO. Talkin like it traps 130.
And yes, a Vindicator/bolt-on GTO with 150-200 pounds of weight reduction WILL trap a high 11X without an issue. Get your facts straight and actually read what I wrote before calling BS. And feel free to throw that $100+ on for the X pipe that I missed.
By the way, I was trying to be civil about this, but if you're gonna be a dick, how about this?
2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Pacesetter X-pipe: $130 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
HSW wet plate kit 150 shot: $400 (Harris Speed Works)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever you want to figure in for that. Again, we all know cheap tuners and there's no set price on that.
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
That's a high-11 and 120 trap car and I've still got a few hundred left for a purge, bottle heater, to fill a ton of bottles, and other fun nitrous stuff for the street to make sure I'm 100% when I kick your *** from a dig or a roll.
How about this? 450+ rwhp in my 3,500 pound car with traction from a dig or anywhere I want vs 330-350 rwhp in your 2,800 pound car with traction only from 40 or above.
Dig to whatever the hell you want your toast. Any roll to whatever the hell you want your toast. Me in my $2k mods GTO vs you in your $2k mods Cobalt = game over for you from anywhere to anywhere, dumbass.
Sorry to hijack, OP. I've got nothing against the Cobalts at all. I like them and would drive one any day of the week. It's just stupid people making stupid comments that need correcting (at least based on what he posted for $2k in Cobalt mods).
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11-28-2009, 09:54 AM
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Did you even read what I wrote? I have Mickey Thompsons on there and with the cutout I don't need a catback because it bypasses it. A Vindicator cam-only car with longtubes will put down north of 400 without an issue. That's the point of the Vindicator. It was designed to put down 400+ cam only on an LS1. It's giant and it makes the power. Do a search for Vindicator results if you don't believe me.
And yes, a Vindicator/bolt-on GTO with 150-200 pounds of weight reduction WILL trap a high 11X. In fact, at a good track on a cold day, it's very possible it could hit a 120. Get your facts straight and actually read what I wrote before calling BS.
And yes, a Vindicator/bolt-on GTO with 150-200 pounds of weight reduction WILL trap a high 11X. In fact, at a good track on a cold day, it's very possible it could hit a 120. Get your facts straight and actually read what I wrote before calling BS.
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11-28-2009, 10:36 AM
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Did you even read what I wrote? I have Mickey Thompsons on there, which means you're fucked from a dig, and with the CUTOUT I don't need a catback. Do you know anything about these cars or do you just try to make it sound like you do? A Vindicator cam-only car with longtubes will put down north of 400 without an issue. That's the point of the Vindicator. It was designed to put down 400+ cam only on a stock headed LS1. It's giant and it makes the power. Do a search for Vindicator results if you don't believe me.
And yes, a Vindicator/bolt-on GTO with 150-200 pounds of weight reduction WILL trap a high 11X without an issue. Get your facts straight and actually read what I wrote before calling BS. And feel free to throw that $100+ on for the X pipe that I missed.
By the way, I was trying to be civil about this, but if you're gonna be a dick, how about this?
2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Pacesetter X-pipe: $130 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
HSW wet plate kit 150 shot: $400 (Harris Speed Works)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever you want to figure in for that. Again, we all know cheap tuners and there's no set price on that.
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
That's a high-11 and 120 trap car and I've still got a few hundred left for a purge, bottle heater, to fill a ton of bottles, and other fun nitrous stuff for the street to make sure I'm 100% when I kick your *** from a dig or a roll.
Sorry to hijack, OP. I'm done arguing with this tool.
And yes, a Vindicator/bolt-on GTO with 150-200 pounds of weight reduction WILL trap a high 11X without an issue. Get your facts straight and actually read what I wrote before calling BS. And feel free to throw that $100+ on for the X pipe that I missed.
By the way, I was trying to be civil about this, but if you're gonna be a dick, how about this?
2004 GTO with a $2,000 budget -
Pacesetter headers: $267.12 (LMPerformance)
Pacesetter X-pipe: $130 (LMPerformance)
Summit 3" cutout: $29.95 (Summit Racing)
AEM cold air: $269.95 (LMPerformance)
HSW wet plate kit 150 shot: $400 (Harris Speed Works)
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radials: $411.90 (Summit Racing)
Tune: Whatever you want to figure in for that. Again, we all know cheap tuners and there's no set price on that.
Weight reduction (say ~200 pounds): Free
That's a high-11 and 120 trap car and I've still got a few hundred left for a purge, bottle heater, to fill a ton of bottles, and other fun nitrous stuff for the street to make sure I'm 100% when I kick your *** from a dig or a roll.
Sorry to hijack, OP. I'm done arguing with this tool.
A Cam only LS1 GTO isn't trapping anything over 115. The fastest LS2 GTO's are barely trapping 120 cam only WITH fast intakes.
It might trap high 11teens in an Fboat, Not a GTO.
That's the problem with these tuner crouds. They have no real concept of what does what. The biggest thing they're stuck on is peak power. Go look at a dyno of a tuned Cobalt, it's hilarious when they have peak WHP around 310 and lose 60-70whp before Redline.
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11-28-2009, 11:35 AM
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Haha! Now Cobalts are good for 500whp. Solid, how many people have hit 500whp? ZZP? Who else?
You hang on the nuts of this ZZP shop car, say what you want, but it's a shop car. No one else has even come CLOSE.
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12. Dayta 342whp, 328wtq Verified DynoJet TK, CD, E, 60s, T, 22psi
13. Sizzle06340whp, 276wtq Verified Dynomite TVS/2.9/I/TB/79's/H/DP/E/HE/DU/T Graph1 Graph2
14. sput 331whp, 276wtq Verified DynoJet I, H, DP, T, DU, 80's, TVS, 2.9, HE, E-85 Graph
15. ebristol 329whp, 290wtq Verified DynoJet F, H, DP, CD, E, T, DU, 80s, 2.9", TVS, HE. E-85 Graph
16. ssyeller 321 whp 375 wtq Verified Dynojet T, TK, DP, HE
17. Deathscythe 320whp, 250wtq Verified DynoJet TVS, PH, I, PI, WI, 60'S, E, HE, T, DP Graph
18. 04redline0124 315 whp 298 wtq Mustang Dyno 2.9, 42's, DP, E, I, HE, N20
19. elite_Cyborg 313whp, 262wtq Verified Dynojet I/H/DP/E/HE/79's/TVS/2.9/WI/T, Graph
20. lsjwannabe 312 whp 267 wtq Verified 2.75, 60s, DU, I, TB, RS, H, E, CD, T, TVS
21. freakta 311 whp 264 wtq Verified I, DP, WI, 42s, TVS, 2.8, H, E, T, PH, IC Graph
22. CBodnar 307 whp 334 wtq Verified Dynojet. GM2, AM, 2.8, N20 (45 shot wet), HE
23. 383_Stroker 304whp, 276wtq Verifed Dynomite TVS, 3.1, WI, H, DP, AM, 60, DU, T Graph
24. Rodimus_Prime 298whp, 254wtq Verified I, H, DP, E, T, DU, 60s, 80mm, WI, HE, TVS, TB Graph
25. drycell1218 276 whp, 237 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno I, H, DP, E, 60s, TB, TVS Graph
26. 2K5SS/SC? 272 whp, 239 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno TS, I, T
"
Again, ZZP shop car atop the list, no one else is even close. Anyone seeing a trend here? ZZP always has the highest power, fastest cars? What else do they do? They SELL THEIR PRODUCTS. Of course they're gonna have their **** dyno (in their shop) higher than anyone else, that makes people want to buy their ****.
And under the 2.4 all out power list they're 100whp higher than the guy who is #2. Not a shop car at all though, they're not trying to push their products by building race cars and skewing dyno numbers (trick older than the book).
Let's check out the top 10 fastest Cobalts in exsistance list!
2009 LSJ/LNF Throw Down
The year of record setting....
No shop cars please....
Anything goes...Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, bring it....
1. Ryan@zzp, 11.091@132.34mph, LSJ Timeslip VID
2. Matt M, 11.4381 @ 126.68, LNF VID Timeslip
3. OneCOLDBIZL272, 12.235@119mph, LSJ Timeslip PIC
4. cmiller8006, 12.294@112.79mph, LNF Timeslip
5. Maxim_X, 12.609@112.17, LSJ Timeslips PIC
6. Revhigh18, 12.806@113.83, LNF Timeslip VID
7. hatrickstu, 12.932@108.19, LSJ Timeslip
8. BYT*SS*TURBO, 12.94@111.38, LNF TIMESLIP PIC
9. StreetDreamz, 12.9536@108.56, LSJ Timeslip PIC
10. firestorm, 12.962@108.39, LSJ PIC Timeslip
Looks like ZZP wins again! The 2 zzp shop cars on the list where they specifically ask for no shop cars! HA! No one else is even close, yet again. The next one on the list is a turbo LSJ making 400+whp to run 12.2 @ 119. The fastest LNF? 12.3 @ 113. The next fastest LNF 12.8 @ 113. We won't mention the 100's of tuned LNF's forever stuck in the 13's. Seems like a pretty big spread for a car that dollar for dollar will pound GTO ***.
DDS is suffering from tuner fanboism, also known as delusional psychosis. I pray that he, and many others like him, get the help they need.
You hang on the nuts of this ZZP shop car, say what you want, but it's a shop car. No one else has even come CLOSE.
"2.0 T/C All Out POWER POTENTIAL!
Slap a big snail on it, build the motor, get nitrous injected, whatever it takes to MAKE POWER on a 2.0 T/C LNF
1. Matt M (ZZP) 509whp, 417wtq Verified Mustang I, CO, ZZPtck, CP, IC, PH, E, FS3. hiltu 338WHP, 346WTQ Verified I, DP, E, T, IC, CP, CD, MD, K04, WI"
Two people on the highest power list, 200whp apart.
"2.0 T/C Stock Turbo
300+whp has never been so easy!
1. Terminator2 345whp, 375wtq Verified Dynocom T, I, DP, CD, CP, IC
2. 09BlueBaltSS 344whp, 384wtq Verified Dynocom T/I/DP/CD Graph
3. BYT*SS*TURBO 321whp, 390wtq Verified DynoJet CD, DP, AM, CP, PM, T
4. ecotecturbo 319whp, 366wtq Verifed DynoJet, IC, CD, CP, I, E, T
5. GTPprix 317whp, 339wtq Verified Dynojet I, DP, CD, E, CP, IC, T
6. Projekt 331whp,393wtq Verified Dynojet I/CD/DP/T Graphy
7. crazysteve (HHR) 314whp, 370wtq Verified WynDyn T, CP, E, DP
8. revhigh18 310whp, 338wtq Verified DynoJet I, T, CD, IC, CP
9. L.P. 307whp 361wtq T, CD
10. cobalt_ss187 306whp, 306wtq Verified Mustang T
11. wantedSS/TC 297whp, 364wtq Verified DynoJet DP, CP, AM
12. Black08SSTC 289whp 314wtq Verified Mustand Dyno T, I, CP Graph
13. drewbroo 281whp, 307wtq Verified DynoJet I, MD, T
15. mezzanno 281whp 274wtq
14. agent007kimball 256whp, 250wtq Verified MustangDyno STOCK Graph
15. Red_SS/TC 250whp 276wtq Verified MustangDyno STOCK
16. IsItFast? 242whp, 256wtq Verified STOCK
17. RBC 242whp 242wtq Verified DynoJet STOCK
18. MARIN007 239whp, 253wtq Verified Dynojet STOCK
19. 09SS 239whp, 237wtq Verified Dynojet MD, F Graph"
"2.0 S/C All out POWER POTENTIAL!
HTVS1320, MP90, Magnuson TVS 1900, Turbo conversion, Twincharge, Nitrous, Centrifugal Blower, anything goes here as long as it's an orginal 2.0 S/C LSJ powerplant
1. Ryan@zzp 510whp, 421wtq Verified MustangDyno (486/434 with a different exhaust manifold, boost bypass setting) TWNCHRGE, IC, H, FS, PH, HE, 80, E, IM Graph
2. Zooomer 465 whp, 414 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno E, T, 60s, TWNCHRG, CD, RG Graph
3. 06blackg85ss 438 whp, 359 wtq Verified Mustang dyno TK, DP, E, T, I, 60s Graph
4. StreetDreamz 411whp, 396wtq Verified DynoJet TVS, T, WI, 79, HE, DU, H, CD, E, TB, PH, CO, PI, N20 Graph
5. Mybadss 410whp 377wtq Verifed Mustang Dyno TWNCHRG, DU, 60s, E, DP, CD, T Graph
6. INFE 407whp, 354wtq Verified Dynojet, GT3076r TK/IM/DP/79s/IC/T/E/I Graph
7. bigolred 390 whp 352 wtq verified mustang dyno TK, DP, E, WI, T
8. 06black 387 whp, 360 wtq Verified Dynojet TK, DP, E, T, I
9. Scott.Florschuetz 385whp 332wtq Verifed TK, I, CD, DP, IC, P, 60s, PH, T, H, IM
10. DBLBoost 375whp, 383wtq Verifed Dynojet, TK, E, WI, I, 60s Graph
11. Area47 360whp, 301wtq Verified Dynojet, (347/292 on a 2.75 pulley) 2.6/H/DP/CD/E/E-85/T/TVS Graph
12. Dayta 342whp, 328wtq Verified DynoJet TK, CD, E, 60s, T, 22psi
13. Sizzle06340whp, 276wtq Verified Dynomite TVS/2.9/I/TB/79's/H/DP/E/HE/DU/T Graph1 Graph2
14. sput 331whp, 276wtq Verified DynoJet I, H, DP, T, DU, 80's, TVS, 2.9, HE, E-85 Graph
15. ebristol 329whp, 290wtq Verified DynoJet F, H, DP, CD, E, T, DU, 80s, 2.9", TVS, HE. E-85 Graph
16. ssyeller 321 whp 375 wtq Verified Dynojet T, TK, DP, HE
17. Deathscythe 320whp, 250wtq Verified DynoJet TVS, PH, I, PI, WI, 60'S, E, HE, T, DP Graph
18. 04redline0124 315 whp 298 wtq Mustang Dyno 2.9, 42's, DP, E, I, HE, N20
19. elite_Cyborg 313whp, 262wtq Verified Dynojet I/H/DP/E/HE/79's/TVS/2.9/WI/T, Graph
20. lsjwannabe 312 whp 267 wtq Verified 2.75, 60s, DU, I, TB, RS, H, E, CD, T, TVS
21. freakta 311 whp 264 wtq Verified I, DP, WI, 42s, TVS, 2.8, H, E, T, PH, IC Graph
22. CBodnar 307 whp 334 wtq Verified Dynojet. GM2, AM, 2.8, N20 (45 shot wet), HE
23. 383_Stroker 304whp, 276wtq Verifed Dynomite TVS, 3.1, WI, H, DP, AM, 60, DU, T Graph
24. Rodimus_Prime 298whp, 254wtq Verified I, H, DP, E, T, DU, 60s, 80mm, WI, HE, TVS, TB Graph
25. drycell1218 276 whp, 237 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno I, H, DP, E, 60s, TB, TVS Graph
26. 2K5SS/SC? 272 whp, 239 wtq Verified Mustang Dyno TS, I, T
"
Again, ZZP shop car atop the list, no one else is even close. Anyone seeing a trend here? ZZP always has the highest power, fastest cars? What else do they do? They SELL THEIR PRODUCTS. Of course they're gonna have their **** dyno (in their shop) higher than anyone else, that makes people want to buy their ****.
And under the 2.4 all out power list they're 100whp higher than the guy who is #2. Not a shop car at all though, they're not trying to push their products by building race cars and skewing dyno numbers (trick older than the book).
Let's check out the top 10 fastest Cobalts in exsistance list!
2009 LSJ/LNF Throw Down
The year of record setting....
No shop cars please....
Anything goes...Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, bring it....
1. Ryan@zzp, 11.091@132.34mph, LSJ Timeslip VID
2. Matt M, 11.4381 @ 126.68, LNF VID Timeslip
3. OneCOLDBIZL272, 12.235@119mph, LSJ Timeslip PIC
4. cmiller8006, 12.294@112.79mph, LNF Timeslip
5. Maxim_X, 12.609@112.17, LSJ Timeslips PIC
6. Revhigh18, 12.806@113.83, LNF Timeslip VID
7. hatrickstu, 12.932@108.19, LSJ Timeslip
8. BYT*SS*TURBO, 12.94@111.38, LNF TIMESLIP PIC
9. StreetDreamz, 12.9536@108.56, LSJ Timeslip PIC
10. firestorm, 12.962@108.39, LSJ PIC Timeslip
Looks like ZZP wins again! The 2 zzp shop cars on the list where they specifically ask for no shop cars! HA! No one else is even close, yet again. The next one on the list is a turbo LSJ making 400+whp to run 12.2 @ 119. The fastest LNF? 12.3 @ 113. The next fastest LNF 12.8 @ 113. We won't mention the 100's of tuned LNF's forever stuck in the 13's. Seems like a pretty big spread for a car that dollar for dollar will pound GTO ***.
DDS is suffering from tuner fanboism, also known as delusional psychosis. I pray that he, and many others like him, get the help they need.
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Looks like ZZP wins again! The 2 zzp shop cars on the list where they specifically ask for no shop cars! HA! No one else is even close, yet again. The next one on the list is a turbo LSJ making 400+whp to run 12.2 @ 119. The fastest LNF? 12.3 @ 113. The next fastest LNF 12.8 @ 113. We won't mention the 100's of tuned LNF's forever stuck in the 13's. Seems like a pretty big spread for a car that dollar for dollar will pound GTO ***.
DDS is suffering from tuner fanboism, also known as delusional psychosis. I pray that he, and many others like him, get the help they need.
Point is people who only have cobalts and use them as their race car are a) Not smart enough to build a fast car like that, if they were they would have been smart enough to pick a RWD car to race , and b) They do not have anywhere near the amount of money/tuners in their area to actually make their car fast if they did have the money which they don't .
The car has been out for 2 years now and I have seen like 3 Turbo swapped cobalts, one reason, they have no money.
When its all said and done, I will have video proof of the Turbo Cobalt beating cammed ls1GTO's while still being on the stock turbo. Don't worry.
Exact same car that ran 12.4 below -
Mod list -
Intake depends on if its the airbox mod or a real intake 40-150
catless downpipe 180
muffler delete free-30
trifecta tuned Free-250
Went 12.995 at 113.27mph
I bet his car would be even faster if he got it tuned on a Dyno.
Looks like it cost him around 600-700 Dollars to trap 113 in a Cobalt. So lets see all those LS1 GTO's out there trapping 113 with $600 I will be waiting for a long long time.
Ooops heres a 12.4 Cobalt run with his same setup + slicks, Aww thats faster than you slo douche. What happened? He has even run 12.2's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a4zTxE1taQ.
Last edited by DDS; 11-28-2009 at 01:38 PM.