2000 Camaro Z28 vs. 2010 Camaro SS
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Last edited by myk; 01-02-2010 at 02:42 AM.
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Cootchy bandit (06-20-2023)
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Very true. People are full of ****. All of the 12.8 timeslips that guys in the 5th gens are running obviously doesn't mean ****.
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how bad did you whoop him when driving his car? doesn't really matter though because if he was a bad enough driver...
any other details about your car? any mods at all, power windows, hard top, rear ratio still 2.73, weight reduction (or addition like a sound system)???
any other details about your car? any mods at all, power windows, hard top, rear ratio still 2.73, weight reduction (or addition like a sound system)???
#32
Not every LS1 is the same. It could be a factory freak. That is why we have some people dynoing 280rwhp out of the factory, and some well over 300. It all depends on the car, not to mention the gearing, he could have had an extra sport package w/o knowing it.
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I don't buy the "factory freak" thing.
No, that's not why. Dyno variance is the main reason.
No, that's not why. Dyno variance is the main reason.
Last edited by unit213; 01-02-2010 at 09:22 AM.
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i dont know unit...shortly after i bought my Z i was lookin at peoples numbers and mine did seem to dyno lower...320rwhp and 318 tq stock...after the mods it jumped nicley...362rwhp and 360tq. What im gettin at is the majority of 01's i came across was around 330-340whp+ with tq around the same numbers....lol i dunno apples to apples i guess...dont even get me started with the 02+ Z's
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i dont know unit...shortly after i bought my Z i was lookin at peoples numbers and mine did seem to dyno lower...320rwhp and 318 tq stock...after the mods it jumped nicley...362rwhp and 360tq. What im gettin at is the majority of 01's i came across was around 330-340whp+ with tq around the same numbers....lol i dunno apples to apples i guess...dont even get me started with the 02+ Z's
You'd really have to compare 98-00 and 01-02 though.
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Dyno numbers are pointless. For example, one of my friends car dynod 405rwhp at speed inc with a full boltons ls6 crate engine. We cammed it, took it to texas speed and it dynod 415rwhp. The difference between the car before and after, was HUGE. Definitely more than 10rwhp difference. Some dynos are optimistic, some are underrated.
Dynos are for TUNING ONLY. Not for measuring your (undersized) pecker.
Dynos are for TUNING ONLY. Not for measuring your (undersized) pecker.
#38
later cars also had newer head castings which might add a hair of rwhp...but as a general rule the ls1 is a ls1 as far as power output, which will be right around 345 flywheel HP
engines have tolerances so some run better and some run worse...but it's nothing to do with "corvette" this or "ss" that
as far as your race outcomes there a million variables...weight, gearing, options, level of maintanence, mileage/break in, ect
don't be suprised to get your *** pulled by a formula or a z28 just as easy as a ws6 or SS...they all got engines from the same assembly line
#39
well some ppl dont consider fully synthetic oil stock so i guess my car cant be stock. its got power windows yes but hard top no. got t-tops. yes 2:73's and no it didnt have system at time. thats going to be installed friday
#40
I don't either, however someone on a certain Third Gen site had a really good explanation of what a "Factory Freak" really is. It could really not apply to new engines due to new tolerance levels, but LS1's do still seem to vary by 5-10HP.
When every part is cast, its cast to a tolerance, this tolerance could range from 0.00%, -0.001% or +0.001%, whatever. We will use rockers for an example, as this is what was used as the example when I read it.
Machine casts 3 different sets of rockers for 3 stock LS1s on 3 different days. One is casted as a 1.695 rocker. One is casted at a 1.700 rocker, one is casted at a 1.705 rocker.
Car A makes less horsepower than Car B and C, however, if he were to upgrade to 1.8 rockers, he would gain more power than normal, as he would be making up for the original imperfection in the rocker.
Car B makes normal horsepower, makes normal gains when switching rockers.
Car C makes more horsepower, but makes less horsepower when upgrading rocker ratios.
This explains all the situations we get when different cars get different dyno gains but make near the same HP.
20camaro00: The car you raced was a TA and not a Formula correct? Formulas are apparently one of the lightest stock F-Bodys with the correct options.
When every part is cast, its cast to a tolerance, this tolerance could range from 0.00%, -0.001% or +0.001%, whatever. We will use rockers for an example, as this is what was used as the example when I read it.
Machine casts 3 different sets of rockers for 3 stock LS1s on 3 different days. One is casted as a 1.695 rocker. One is casted at a 1.700 rocker, one is casted at a 1.705 rocker.
Car A makes less horsepower than Car B and C, however, if he were to upgrade to 1.8 rockers, he would gain more power than normal, as he would be making up for the original imperfection in the rocker.
Car B makes normal horsepower, makes normal gains when switching rockers.
Car C makes more horsepower, but makes less horsepower when upgrading rocker ratios.
This explains all the situations we get when different cars get different dyno gains but make near the same HP.
20camaro00: The car you raced was a TA and not a Formula correct? Formulas are apparently one of the lightest stock F-Bodys with the correct options.