2000 Camaro Z28 vs. 2010 Camaro SS
04-07-2010, 12:46 PM
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Getcha01 is one of the biggest misinformed uneducated idiots I know in the LsX world, the worst part is he spreads it like gospel.
Tell us a couple more times what you run and what you have done. 
posably" 50 less hp stock. He was running 13.30's. I am at 12.49's with full exhaust, NO tune,SLP LID, free mods, $3000 in my 6spd and LS7 clutch. Still all I have is headers and LID, I ran 13.18 stock as a rock. I mean something is up, the LS1's 01-02 are a bea
at GATEWAY and its not even close, I get him by a whole second with headers, no tune, street tires, $3000 in my 6spd and a LS7 clutch with pro 5.0 shifter, but I still have stock gears,intake,throttle body,cam,heads,mass air flow. I ran 13.18 stock and it made my buddy sell his 2010 SS after he tried everything to get into 12's after I did it with just tires and a lid and headers 12.70's.....
em and all are rated the same. I got it all the time with my 01 WS6 when I ran 13.18 stock and put 310hp down on the dyno, peopl
04-07-2010, 12:49 PM
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Thats just IRS vs SRA at the track happens all the time. He would need a super charger to be in the 12s or a very good H/C setup, but look at it he would need to make 500+ HP to see 12s when you could be doing it with around 350HP or so, not to mention the suspension and good sticky tires he would need to hook up on that shitty IRS.
It takes practice to launch an IRS car, I have a buddy making 430Rwhp in his cobra (race weight 3750#) and cuts 1.6 short times on nitto drag radials.
A blower or H/C to be in the 12s? 500+hp to see 12s? Are you on crack? These cars with a competent driver WILL run 12s, period. There is no question about it. Even with a half *** driver drag radials will put them there.
Shitty IRS?
04-07-2010, 01:12 PM
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I don't really have a horse in this race but I'll jump in for fun 
I don't know if factory freaks exist or not, but there are factory lemons we can all agree. With that said if there's a factory dud out there, then there probably is a factory stud running around aswell logic would argue.
I have what some people in here would call a factory freak. It's an stock 2002 SOM Formula. It's has the LS6 factory block, 3:42 gears, and is a 6pd. It is not a stripper car as it has ebony leather, t/c, power, and t tops, but it is on the lighter end of the scales. This car was produced in May of 2002 so it was one of the last as August was the end of the run.
With that said I have driven a new SS Camaro. I wasn't really all that impressed. It felt heavy and unresponsive compared to my Formula, but is was still nice and was definately not a slug. From a roll on I would think that my car would stay very close to a new SS, but that's a seat of the pants analysis. With that said my Formula will never run a 12.6 at 111 stock, at anytime or at any track. But with that also said I don't see how individuals are running 12.6 when some good drivers are pulling low 13's and very high 12's stock. The SS I drove would not have went 12.6's stock ever, especially with 20's and stock tires. I understand temps, elevation, and trap contribute greatly though so who knows what combination these 12.6's came out of. I do not feel though that the new SS Camaro is slower than a 4th gen. Rides different, but at the worst, driver for driver they are probably a little faster if not substantialy faster than all but a select few 4th gens.
I don't know if factory freaks exist or not, but there are factory lemons we can all agree. With that said if there's a factory dud out there, then there probably is a factory stud running around aswell logic would argue. I have what some people in here would call a factory freak. It's an stock 2002 SOM Formula. It's has the LS6 factory block, 3:42 gears, and is a 6pd. It is not a stripper car as it has ebony leather, t/c, power, and t tops, but it is on the lighter end of the scales. This car was produced in May of 2002 so it was one of the last as August was the end of the run.
With that said I have driven a new SS Camaro. I wasn't really all that impressed. It felt heavy and unresponsive compared to my Formula, but is was still nice and was definately not a slug. From a roll on I would think that my car would stay very close to a new SS, but that's a seat of the pants analysis. With that said my Formula will never run a 12.6 at 111 stock, at anytime or at any track. But with that also said I don't see how individuals are running 12.6 when some good drivers are pulling low 13's and very high 12's stock. The SS I drove would not have went 12.6's stock ever, especially with 20's and stock tires. I understand temps, elevation, and trap contribute greatly though so who knows what combination these 12.6's came out of. I do not feel though that the new SS Camaro is slower than a 4th gen. Rides different, but at the worst, driver for driver they are probably a little faster if not substantialy faster than all but a select few 4th gens.
04-07-2010, 09:29 PM
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You might be just as big of an idiot..
It takes practice to launch an IRS car, I have a buddy making 430Rwhp in his cobra (race weight 3750#) and cuts 1.6 short times on nitto drag radials.
A blower or H/C to be in the 12s? 500+hp to see 12s? Are you on crack? These cars with a competent driver WILL run 12s, period. There is no question about it. Even with a half *** driver drag radials will put them there.
Shitty IRS?
It takes practice to launch an IRS car, I have a buddy making 430Rwhp in his cobra (race weight 3750#) and cuts 1.6 short times on nitto drag radials.
A blower or H/C to be in the 12s? 500+hp to see 12s? Are you on crack? These cars with a competent driver WILL run 12s, period. There is no question about it. Even with a half *** driver drag radials will put them there.
Shitty IRS?
The point I was trying to make is that a solid axle car is a better car at the strip. IRS cars can hook and run great times at the strip, but I think if you took two of the same cars with same hp mods ect and one was IRS and the other a solid axle car, the solid axle will get the power to the ground better and cut better 60ft times but this is just what I have seen with my own two eyes. If you think IRS is better for the strip please let me know why if not then were on the same page.
04-07-2010, 11:04 PM
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your right I stand to be corrected. I let my mouth get the best of me on that last post and did not look at facts The point I was trying to make is that a solid axle car is a better car at the strip. IRS cars can hook and run great times at the strip, but I think if you took two of the same cars with same hp mods ect and one was IRS and the other a solid axle car, the solid axle will get the power to the ground better and cut better 60ft times but this is just what I have seen with my own two eyes. If you think IRS is better for the strip please let me know why if not then were on the same page.
The point I was trying to make is that a solid axle car is a better car at the strip. IRS cars can hook and run great times at the strip, but I think if you took two of the same cars with same hp mods ect and one was IRS and the other a solid axle car, the solid axle will get the power to the ground better and cut better 60ft times but this is just what I have seen with my own two eyes. If you think IRS is better for the strip please let me know why if not then were on the same page.
05-09-2010, 09:53 AM
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i have a 2000 z28 and my dad just bought a 2010 ss m6 2ss and rs package. its a beautiful car an it turns heads like no other. the only mod hes got is som exhaust work but its completely stock.
my car is full bolt on car, geared and tuned and to me my car will out run his any day of the week. now i cxant get him to line up with me on the street but ive driven both and hammered on both in the exact same stretch of road and seat of the pants tells me a slightly modded 4th gen will out run a stock 5th gen all day. my opinion is that the biggest dif.im mine and his is my gearing. im in my powerband at all times. with his gears from a dig there is a lot of lag. from a low roll there is a lot of lag. much like my car before the gears. but when its all said and done the neww ss is gonna be a berast once aftermarket parts become affordable. my 2 cents for waht its worth.
my car is full bolt on car, geared and tuned and to me my car will out run his any day of the week. now i cxant get him to line up with me on the street but ive driven both and hammered on both in the exact same stretch of road and seat of the pants tells me a slightly modded 4th gen will out run a stock 5th gen all day. my opinion is that the biggest dif.im mine and his is my gearing. im in my powerband at all times. with his gears from a dig there is a lot of lag. from a low roll there is a lot of lag. much like my car before the gears. but when its all said and done the neww ss is gonna be a berast once aftermarket parts become affordable. my 2 cents for waht its worth.
05-10-2010, 10:53 AM
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Gramps used to have an 02 corvette automatic...the 5th felt a lot faster than that also.
Now my car feels about as fast as my 98 when it was cam only.
SOTP doesnt always mean much...
05-11-2010, 12:54 AM
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Going to have to agree about the SOTP analysis. I've driven a 302 Thunderbird and an IROC that felt very fast, but my wife's Ecotec Sunfire tore them both up. And my old LT1 Z destroyed my wife's Sunfire (and the IROC, lol). A lot of different factors contribute to the seat-of-the-pants feeling, among them seat structure, suspension, exhaust note, NVH communication, recent driving experiences, etc. The only car I've ever ridden in that felt as fast as it really was is a FFR Shelby Cobra kit car with a TKO and a 400-horse 351W.
05-11-2010, 04:39 PM
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ill tell you guys this from first hand experience. i bought my new ss about 2 months ago it has 600 miles on it. (i sold my 98 to get it) right now im not impressed with the power. it feels like my ls1 auto would eat it alive and it had 100k miles on it. but when i bought the car the dealer put 87 octane in it which was about 3 gas changes ago (which i heard a lot of dealers were doing), its starting to open up more now and im sure by the time it has a couple thousand miles on it, it will be more of a performer. you have to think most of the new 5th gens dont have a lot of miles on them and enough drivers experience with the car because its new. ill let you know when i have more miles on mine and experience.
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05-12-2010, 06:42 PM
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OP, Is your car auto or M6? If the stock trans am that beat you is an M6 and your Auto that might make sense. But if both of you are auto or M6, either you need a driver mod, Or the trans am got better traction. Both of you are in the same power band. Was it the WS6? They have the Ram Air and if it was an 01+ it has the LS6 Intake. That is probobly why he might of beat you. I have a 2000 Z28 A4 with 3.23's and had brand new nitto NT-555's and raced a 2002 WS6 with Borla exhaust and headers, SLP lid. My car at the time was stock. His nitto DR's were almost shot and he struggles getting traction i having less power quicky grabbed traction and get em by a good 3 cars...the 20 mph roll was a different story. I got beat by 2 cars. Its all about traction, suspension and of course the driver.
05-12-2010, 07:02 PM
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here is the vid of me vs my friends 01 SS at the track last summer. Video taken inside his car and thats my pewter Z bone stock. Youtube is stupid and the sound came out jacked up so turn your speakers down!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0kIX3ifJmA
The 01 SS has MS3 Cam PAtriot stage 2 heads FIPK K&N induction kit, Shorty headers and magnaflow catback. Car was tuned by john in cimarron ks aka Wicked1.
My 00 camaro had a k&n drop in filter and flomaster 80 series muffler with dual dual tips and brand spankin new nitto NT-555 EXTREMES 275/40 ZR17 at the time. My friend had shitty raptor 275 40 17 tires.
his SS now has a 12 bolt moser rear suspension
My car has a few boltons now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0kIX3ifJmA
The 01 SS has MS3 Cam PAtriot stage 2 heads FIPK K&N induction kit, Shorty headers and magnaflow catback. Car was tuned by john in cimarron ks aka Wicked1.
My 00 camaro had a k&n drop in filter and flomaster 80 series muffler with dual dual tips and brand spankin new nitto NT-555 EXTREMES 275/40 ZR17 at the time. My friend had shitty raptor 275 40 17 tires.
his SS now has a 12 bolt moser rear suspension
My car has a few boltons now
09-10-2014, 08:46 AM
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Just stumbled on this old thread MYK is not correct the SS has the same motor as the Z28 SLP in Michigan didn't pull the motors just swapped a LS6 intake on the 98-2000 SS cars along with the SLP air lid, larger Y-pipe and better cat back exhaust. In 2001 GM factory installed the LS6 intake for an aprox 15hp gain. My almost stock 2000 Z28 with LS1 intake is putting 321hp/334tq to the wheels with no headers but good dyno tune and SLP lid, Y-pipe and Maganaflow cat back.
09-11-2014, 06:56 PM
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Just stumbled on this old thread MYK is not correct the SS has the same motor as the Z28 SLP in Michigan didn't pull the motors just swapped a LS6 intake on the 98-2000 SS cars along with the SLP air lid, larger Y-pipe and better cat back exhaust. In 2001 GM factory installed the LS6 intake for an aprox 15hp gain. My almost stock 2000 Z28 with LS1 intake is putting 321hp/334tq to the wheels with no headers but good dyno tune and SLP lid, Y-pipe and Maganaflow cat back.
