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well if its worth anything, i believe u ran a 13.9 with a pi gt. alot of mustang guy dont believe i ran a 13.7 either. i also wouldnt be surprised if you didnt have the time slip or a video. i dont. i didnt think it was necessary for a 13 second pass. i didnt even keep the time slip
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I have not had bad experiences BTW.
It would prove that you're a man of your word, regardless of what it's about.
A time slip paired with a video is excellent proof. A time slip of your 13.9 would be a good start as long as it was legit.
You are going thread to thread saying your car runs 13.9s, which is not very common for a stock GT. That's like saying my stock LT1 went 12.5s.. a stock LT1 is nothing impressive and neither is a 12.5, but paired together it's a far-fetched story.
You're right, I don't know you, you don't know me. I'm just asking for a simple slip or video of you and your car running the time. That's all
A time slip paired with a video is excellent proof. A time slip of your 13.9 would be a good start as long as it was legit.
You are going thread to thread saying your car runs 13.9s, which is not very common for a stock GT. That's like saying my stock LT1 went 12.5s.. a stock LT1 is nothing impressive and neither is a 12.5, but paired together it's a far-fetched story.
You're right, I don't know you, you don't know me. I'm just asking for a simple slip or video of you and your car running the time. That's all
well if its worth anything, i believe u ran a 13.9 with a pi gt. alot of mustang guy dont believe i ran a 13.7 either. i also wouldnt be surprised if you didnt have the time slip or a video. i dont. i didnt think it was necessary for a 13 second pass. i didnt even keep the time slip
You're right, I don't keep the slips from the "not so impressive times," but it'd say it's safe to say 95% of everyone that has raced their car has kept their best time slip. At least everyone I know ?
And as for the stuff about the new Camaro's not being able to get out of the 14's, I see what you're going for there. But, I'm not saying it's not possible to run a mid-low 14 in an auto 2V, just highly unlikely, and faster than average, like hitting a mid-low 13 in a LT1 or a manual 2v. Your average auto 2v isn't a low 14 second car. Mostly mid 14's probably. I was just stating my experience with about 5 or 6 auto 2v's I've witnessed at the track. From what I've seen, your average driver in one, is going to hit high 14's. I'll also say that your average driver in an LT1 is going to run mid-low 14's, from what I've seen too.
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Although I've never stated (that I can recall, anyways) that I'm not a GM fanboy, I do like certain products from all "American" makes. I'll be honest, I'll never consider owning a Mustang so I don't spend a whole lot of time researching them. I'm not saying he couldn't do it, and it's impossible to do, I'd just like to see the slip of HIS car doing it. That's all
You're right, I don't keep the slips from the "not so impressive times," but it'd say it's safe to say 95% of everyone that has raced their car has kept their best time slip. At least everyone I know ?
You're right, I don't keep the slips from the "not so impressive times," but it'd say it's safe to say 95% of everyone that has raced their car has kept their best time slip. At least everyone I know ?
My response about keeping slips wasn't towards you, but since you replied....You must have a lot of friends who's self esteem relies on the opinions of i-net racers. hmmm, darn, guess I should have kept that 14.9 of my 65 koupe. ****, IDK wtf I'm gonna do now. no one will believe me that I ran a 14.9 in a 65 Koupe with nothing more than a holley carb, pertronix ign. and Firehawk's. Whatever am I to do?
Ok, how does the PI GT have the advantage? The LT1 has proven to run better times stock. Plus, how would a car that generally puts down 20-30rwhp more, is only ~100 lbs heavier, and have better gearing have the disadvantage?
And as for the stuff about the new Camaro's not being able to get out of the 14's, I see what you're going for there. But, I'm not saying it's not possible to run a mid-low 14 in an auto 2V, just highly unlikely, and faster than average, like hitting a mid-low 13 in a LT1 or a manual 2v. Your average auto 2v isn't a low 14 second car. Mostly mid 14's probably. I was just stating my experience with about 5 or 6 auto 2v's I've witnessed at the track. From what I've seen, your average driver in one, is going to hit high 14's. I'll also say that your average driver in an LT1 is going to run mid-low 14's, from what I've seen too.
And as for the stuff about the new Camaro's not being able to get out of the 14's, I see what you're going for there. But, I'm not saying it's not possible to run a mid-low 14 in an auto 2V, just highly unlikely, and faster than average, like hitting a mid-low 13 in a LT1 or a manual 2v. Your average auto 2v isn't a low 14 second car. Mostly mid 14's probably. I was just stating my experience with about 5 or 6 auto 2v's I've witnessed at the track. From what I've seen, your average driver in one, is going to hit high 14's. I'll also say that your average driver in an LT1 is going to run mid-low 14's, from what I've seen too.
Just sayin'.
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I am serious when I say this is the only forum I've been to that has members in it that believe this. 13.9s in a stock GT is nothing to brag about. People have done it a lot faster than that.
I think my ol lady still has it. My point was, such time slips can be faked. Even with my signature and all on it.
Do you know how easy it would be for me to make a time slip, print it out, and sign my name to it? EASY.
BTW in my post, I am not doubting the 13.7.
There have been people hitting low 13s in stock S197s. Anything is possible. But a 13.9 in a stock PI GT is simply not that amazing.
As far as LT1s being faster, in my experience they have not been. I don't care about numbers on paper. There was a guy with a 94 recently that want to race me. He claimed his stock LT1 was different than the ones I've raced. That i why I had asked said question on the mustang boards. Maybe the gearing is the difference. No clue. I just know I've beaten 3 others.
Then again it may have to do with the LT1 being as old as it is, and my car only having 8-12k mile on my car or so (forget) when said races happened.
Or it could be that the people I raced didn't have the 20+ years I've had banging gears
I am 36 years old, and look like I'm 16. (Ok, maybe not 16, but close) I am 5'10 and weigh a buck 65. People confuse me for being a lot younger than I actually am. It's like being a man-made sleeper
well if its worth anything, i believe u ran a 13.9 with a pi gt. alot of mustang guy dont believe i ran a 13.7 either. i also wouldnt be surprised if you didnt have the time slip or a video. i dont. i didnt think it was necessary for a 13 second pass. i didnt even keep the time slip
Do you know how easy it would be for me to make a time slip, print it out, and sign my name to it? EASY.
BTW in my post, I am not doubting the 13.7.
There have been people hitting low 13s in stock S197s. Anything is possible. But a 13.9 in a stock PI GT is simply not that amazing.
As far as LT1s being faster, in my experience they have not been. I don't care about numbers on paper. There was a guy with a 94 recently that want to race me. He claimed his stock LT1 was different than the ones I've raced. That i why I had asked said question on the mustang boards. Maybe the gearing is the difference. No clue. I just know I've beaten 3 others.
Then again it may have to do with the LT1 being as old as it is, and my car only having 8-12k mile on my car or so (forget) when said races happened.
Or it could be that the people I raced didn't have the 20+ years I've had banging gears
I am 36 years old, and look like I'm 16. (Ok, maybe not 16, but close) I am 5'10 and weigh a buck 65. People confuse me for being a lot younger than I actually am. It's like being a man-made sleeper
The only exception would be 1993... I don't have those numbers in a chart but you could get an M6 with 2.73s or 3.23s and the internals numbers were different.
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Verdad Gallardo At the end of the day, why would I want to spend hours researching a 14 second car? Maybe I'm ignorant to the "best times" they can run.. I don't really care about best times that a select few can run. I'm more interested in the times that the "average" person can do, and once again I'd like to have his time slip to calculate a rough DA for the conditions he's running in.
Also, mileage is pretty irrelevant as long as the maintenance is done. I work at a car dealership here in town and I've worked on vehicles with 400k miles that are much nicer and run stronger than 40k vehicles.
i think u might care about his time a little too much, man. 13.9 isnt a big deal. i hear gmhtp ran a 12.8 in a stock 02 ss. im not aware that anyone questioned that. a couple tenths of a second? who cares? if he said a none pi did that, then i could see the argument.
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You're right, I don't believe he can do it, yet he talks about it all the time.. that's why I'm asking for a slip. So far, he's produced nothing other than "I could fake a slip"
At the end of the day, why would I want to spend hours researching a 14 second car? Maybe I'm ignorant to the "best times" they can run.. I don't really care about best times that a select few can run. I'm more interested in the times that the "average" person can do, and once again I'd like to have his time slip to calculate a rough DA for the conditions he's running in.
Also, mileage is pretty irrelevant as long as the maintenance is done. I work at a car dealership here in town and I've worked on vehicles with 400k miles that are much nicer and run stronger than 40k vehicles.
At the end of the day, why would I want to spend hours researching a 14 second car? Maybe I'm ignorant to the "best times" they can run.. I don't really care about best times that a select few can run. I'm more interested in the times that the "average" person can do, and once again I'd like to have his time slip to calculate a rough DA for the conditions he's running in.
Also, mileage is pretty irrelevant as long as the maintenance is done. I work at a car dealership here in town and I've worked on vehicles with 400k miles that are much nicer and run stronger than 40k vehicles.
2) That's your choice, but dont' come in here spoutin' BS to people on the basis of your ignorance brought on by your choices and not expect people to retort to it.
3) since you only are interested in averages, then LS1s are mid/upper 13s and LT1s are low/mid 14s.
4) WTF doesn't maintenance have to do with anything that was discussed in here? maybe I've missed it.
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I was referring to my car only having like 10k miles on it when I raced the 15+ year old cars. While he may keep his cars Cherry that are that age, most people do not.
Had I known months later that someone would have actually QUESTIONED me on a 13.9 time in my stock 2v GT, believe me, I would have saved it. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal. Still don't. (It's not)
Had I known months later that someone would have actually QUESTIONED me on a 13.9 time in my stock 2v GT, believe me, I would have saved it. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal. Still don't. (It's not)
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I was referring to my car only having like 10k miles on it when I raced the 15+ year old cars. While he may keep his cars Cherry that are that age, most people do not.
Had I known months later that someone would have actually QUESTIONED me on a 13.9 time in my stock 2v GT, believe me, I would have saved it. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal. Still don't. (It's not)
Had I known months later that someone would have actually QUESTIONED me on a 13.9 time in my stock 2v GT, believe me, I would have saved it. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal. Still don't. (It's not)
if that's the case, then this LT1 2V discussion has hit retard level and I'll stay out of it now.
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BTW I wasn't trying to say I WON the race because of that. But the one car I am thinking of, did NOT sound healthy when I ran it. I was replying to these posts
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I was referring to my car only having like 10k miles on it when I raced the 15+ year old cars. While he may keep his cars Cherry that are that age, most people do not.
Had I known months later that someone would have actually QUESTIONED me on a 13.9 time in my stock 2v GT, believe me, I would have saved it. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal. Still don't. (It's not)
Had I known months later that someone would have actually QUESTIONED me on a 13.9 time in my stock 2v GT, believe me, I would have saved it. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal. Still don't. (It's not)
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Like I said, my wife still may have it. I'll have to ask her when she gets home. I keep forgetting. Having said that, I honestly didn't think I'd need it. If I had ran it at 13.6/7 like I've seen two other people run once, I'd have kept it and cried that I didn't video it. But 13.9 isn't a big deal. I actually seen someone in a Bullit Run 13.5xx twice in two different occasions. But it's a bit different than a stock 99-04 GT.
As far as your Neons go, what do you have?
As far as your Neons go, what do you have?
Anyways boys, it was good debatin with ya, but this thread has gone on far too long. Sorry OP for helping get this off track.
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Hmmmm, interesting. I didn't know you went around telling everyone LS1s are high 13s. I'm surprised you haven't been flamed to the point of no return.