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Old 06-08-2010, 10:43 PM
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I have a 2000 camaro Z28 A4. It has a mild cam, 243 heads milled for better compression, headers, true duals, no cats, bbk intake, lid, pp throttle body. I have stock 2.73 gears in it. I raced my buddy in a 2005 mustang he has a few bolt ons, aluminum drive shaft and 4.10s in the rear. It is also an auto. We raced twice from a 40 roll and he beats me by half a car. I should have about 400rwhp and he only has about 315rwhp. Is this normal i lost is it because of the gears? If i get 3.73s will i take him?
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I would think you would walk him with the 373's plus he will run out of gear.
Old 06-08-2010, 11:24 PM
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Gears are hurting you badly but you also need to look into a stall.
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You should of killed him.... The 2.73 are hurting you and you probably need a tune. If I were you I would built the tranny if it's not built yet and put a converter. 3200-4000. What is the specs on the cam? Also you are going to need a drag tire to put the power to the ground.
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Its not right but it happened, its time for more mods. All the power in the world won't make a car fast if it isn't set up properly with the supporting mods. Gears, suspension etc.
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Don't forget to get a trans cooler!

Don't want to spend all the money and then the trans die from heat!
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Its the gears
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Race again when you're not in the 40mph dead spot for the 4L60E and see what happens. Try a 30 or 50 roll. 40mph puts you at the dead bottom of 2nd and you probably started at like 2500rpm or some crap like that.
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Sounds about right to me. LOL


















Anything can happen on the street man. I wouldn't be so sure that you are at 400rwhp with the said mods. You should be but you may not be without the tune and such and I would have to agree that the gears are killing you..
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40 roll up to what? I assume he jumped out hard on you then you started reeling him in hard but he let up, right? If not, if he kept his lead and you weren't reeling him in I would ask to look under his hood, cuz he is leaving out something big.
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
40 roll up to what? I assume he jumped out hard on you then you started reeling him in hard but he let up, right? If not, if he kept his lead and you weren't reeling him in I would ask to look under his hood, cuz he is leaving out something big.
either this or the OP isn't making the HP he thinks he is.
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Originally Posted by odarabla
either this or the OP isn't making the HP he thinks he is.
True. There's a guy in my group up here with the same mods as this guy, except M6 with 3.73's and no headers (he was going to a turbo but changed his mind) and he runs 13.2 @ 110mph. Ouch! a 2.2 60' time doesnt help, but still.
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I have similar mods... slightly milled unported 243s with mild cam, ebay headers, fast 85 i ported yada yada. I made 444 rwhp and 414 rwtq, you should have raped him. Has the car been tuned?
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Even with a 383, that 444rwhp is highly suspect Nitroused383. Unless you are referring to sprayed numbers. 243's just dont flow enough air to hit those numbers unless they are CNC'd, bowl ported and run with a large cam - even with a LS2.

Hell, a LS2 with fully ported L92 heads, ported intake and TB, full boltons and a good cam is lucky if he can hit 480rwhp.
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Gears + stall = game over for the S197...and a tune if you haven't yet.
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even with the gears you have, you should have beat him...That's a big difference.

Something's wrong and I think you should stop racing until you get it tuned.
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It was tuned by a shitty tuner I'm getting gears in next week and a tranny rebuild then I'm getting a dynotune. My tranny won't shift gears so I had to do a 2nd gear pull we went from like 40-80 everyone tells me its because of the gears. I have a 100 shot going in it when the gears go in and its going to be hidden this kids not going to know what hit him!
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Even with a 383, that 444rwhp is highly suspect Nitroused383. Unless you are referring to sprayed numbers. 243's just dont flow enough air to hit those numbers unless they are CNC'd, bowl ported and run with a large cam - even with a LS2.

Hell, a LS2 with fully ported L92 heads, ported intake and TB, full boltons and a good cam is lucky if he can hit 480rwhp.
Look in the Gen III section. There is a guy making close to the same numbers stated above with a small cam and unported 243's. The lobes were designed by the guy that left Thunder racing (don't remember his name). The car is also running low 11's.
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Even with a 383, that 444rwhp is highly suspect Nitroused383. Unless you are referring to sprayed numbers. 243's just dont flow enough air to hit those numbers unless they are CNC'd, bowl ported and run with a large cam - even with a LS2.

Hell, a LS2 with fully ported L92 heads, ported intake and TB, full boltons and a good cam is lucky if he can hit 480rwhp.
except...
he has worked the heads over extensively, many many hours into 5 sided valve job...

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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Even with a 383, that 444rwhp is highly suspect Nitroused383. Unless you are referring to sprayed numbers. 243's just dont flow enough air to hit those numbers unless they are CNC'd, bowl ported and run with a large cam - even with a LS2.

Hell, a LS2 with fully ported L92 heads, ported intake and TB, full boltons and a good cam is lucky if he can hit 480rwhp.
Where are you getting your info from? My 99 T/A with stock 243's put down 425/405 with a 224 cam and stock LS1 intake. I think 430ish would have been reachable with a better intake.


Anyways my point to the OP was if it was a 40 roll to like 80 or something I can see how it can happen. 2nd gear is just too tall especially with 2.73's so if the car decided it wanted to be in 2nd you might have been running way out of your power band so he got a lead and held it. Heck, I kept loosing with my 3.23 car because it refused to downshift out of 3rd when I floored it. Otherwise you got beat fair and square, go buy more mods



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