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I'll give you this, if we were debating the whole "I'm in the market for a convertable and I want one that's fast" then it'd be a valid criteria to compare the 350Z roadster to the boxters.
Porsche doesn't make a hard top boxter unless you count the cayman - which is clearly better than the Z and better be since it's over 2x the price. Still gotta wonder how much the Cayman or boxter can be modded though. They both have smaller engines than the Z and way less torque. I'd still imagine modding a porsche would be crazy expensive.
Porsche doesn't make a hard top boxter unless you count the cayman - which is clearly better than the Z and better be since it's over 2x the price. Still gotta wonder how much the Cayman or boxter can be modded though. They both have smaller engines than the Z and way less torque. I'd still imagine modding a porsche would be crazy expensive.
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1) Not "all the other Z cars" were turbo. Damn, where the hell did that come from? The only Z cars that came turbo stock were the 2 generations of the 300Z AFAIK.
2)Just because it does not have LS1 Power does not make it slow. Nissan owned the crap out of much higher torque/displacement domestics in SCCA racing back in the early 70s. Just about everything in the world sucks compared to small block v8s when it comes to roll racing from 60 to 120. Guess what. They dont fuggin care much. Most of us dont either.
3)The 350Z is a great low end sports car. Its got a great foundation for a fast vehicle, but its not really going to compete with Evos or Stis at the track stock on stock. It will certanly not out run any Porsche on a road course except that SUV that I will not name here. Hell, the 997 Boxster was not much off the pace of a C6 on a road course in one test I read.
I think the 350Z might become one of the best LS1 swap propositions around in a few years. Its a great chassis. Putting in the LS1 will do wonders for its weight distrabution. Done right the car might have a distrabution like you see on an MR. And it would certanly be lighter than a huge Nissan Iron block V6 with massive DOHC heads. That engine bay is a cave. You could put a 540 in there I bet. If someone makes an adapter plate and clutch kit, the stock tranny could handle most LS1s output, and so could the rear diff. Thats a HUGE benefit. The 350Z stock ratios would be pretty good for an LS1 too. Only problem is how reliable I suspect that car will turn out to be. Its a pretty understressed driveline from the factory. So finding cheap shells with blown motors might be harder than finding old RX7s and such.
2)Just because it does not have LS1 Power does not make it slow. Nissan owned the crap out of much higher torque/displacement domestics in SCCA racing back in the early 70s. Just about everything in the world sucks compared to small block v8s when it comes to roll racing from 60 to 120. Guess what. They dont fuggin care much. Most of us dont either.
3)The 350Z is a great low end sports car. Its got a great foundation for a fast vehicle, but its not really going to compete with Evos or Stis at the track stock on stock. It will certanly not out run any Porsche on a road course except that SUV that I will not name here. Hell, the 997 Boxster was not much off the pace of a C6 on a road course in one test I read.
I think the 350Z might become one of the best LS1 swap propositions around in a few years. Its a great chassis. Putting in the LS1 will do wonders for its weight distrabution. Done right the car might have a distrabution like you see on an MR. And it would certanly be lighter than a huge Nissan Iron block V6 with massive DOHC heads. That engine bay is a cave. You could put a 540 in there I bet. If someone makes an adapter plate and clutch kit, the stock tranny could handle most LS1s output, and so could the rear diff. Thats a HUGE benefit. The 350Z stock ratios would be pretty good for an LS1 too. Only problem is how reliable I suspect that car will turn out to be. Its a pretty understressed driveline from the factory. So finding cheap shells with blown motors might be harder than finding old RX7s and such.
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yeah I'd like to see more LS1 swaps happen or any sort of adaptor kits for it to work
the driveline is reasonably heavy duty. The rear axels are the weakest link. The tranny is holding up to people doing over 600whp and them beating the **** out of it. It was overengineered, but earlier models have some issues with grinding.
The driveshaft is mostly solid carbon fiber with some reinforment beams so it's pretty light weight and revs up fast. The stock LSD sucks. People who track the car hard can burn those up after 3 or 4 hard 20 min sessions on a road course if they're really crazy fast drivers.
The chasis is stiff but heavy, but still lighter than most LS1 cars (exluding C5) IMO it feels stiffer than the C6 chasis so I'd say the same is probably true for the C5.
there's a local guy by me who put a LS1 in his 300ZX with the chevy EMS or whatever chevy sells and pulls 350whp
My Z will be at around 420-440whp in a couple months with a supercharger and bolt ons, but won't be near as reliable as the LS1/LS6
If I ever did blow my engine, I'd actually consider doing an LS6 swap if it's reasonably possible instead up building up the VQ35 engine. I'd sell off my old engine stuff and get the LS6
the driveline is reasonably heavy duty. The rear axels are the weakest link. The tranny is holding up to people doing over 600whp and them beating the **** out of it. It was overengineered, but earlier models have some issues with grinding.
The driveshaft is mostly solid carbon fiber with some reinforment beams so it's pretty light weight and revs up fast. The stock LSD sucks. People who track the car hard can burn those up after 3 or 4 hard 20 min sessions on a road course if they're really crazy fast drivers.
The chasis is stiff but heavy, but still lighter than most LS1 cars (exluding C5) IMO it feels stiffer than the C6 chasis so I'd say the same is probably true for the C5.
there's a local guy by me who put a LS1 in his 300ZX with the chevy EMS or whatever chevy sells and pulls 350whp
My Z will be at around 420-440whp in a couple months with a supercharger and bolt ons, but won't be near as reliable as the LS1/LS6
If I ever did blow my engine, I'd actually consider doing an LS6 swap if it's reasonably possible instead up building up the VQ35 engine. I'd sell off my old engine stuff and get the LS6
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Good to know. Im surprised about the LSD though. That's gotta **** off the owners considering what they paid to get it from the factory 
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Are you sure about the CF driveshaft? I would think that if it was, they would market the crap out of it and everyone would know that.
I bet that switching to LS1 power would take 100 lbs right off the car. Aluminum block and much much smaller heads. Nissan likes to make massive V6s. The VQ if farkin huge.
And that guy with the LS1 better do more than 350WHP soon or he is going to be laughed at pretty hardcore when VQ Zs with basic mods start murdering him.
.Are you sure about the CF driveshaft? I would think that if it was, they would market the crap out of it and everyone would know that.
I bet that switching to LS1 power would take 100 lbs right off the car. Aluminum block and much much smaller heads. Nissan likes to make massive V6s. The VQ if farkin huge.
And that guy with the LS1 better do more than 350WHP soon or he is going to be laughed at pretty hardcore when VQ Zs with basic mods start murdering him.
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carbon fiber driveshaft is a definite. Actually one of the big reasons they did it was for crashes. It shatters and absorbs forces instead of being ridged
The 350Z VQ35 engine is aluminum
I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but it's about 90 lbs or so lighter than the LS1/6
the LS1 swap 300ZX guy is happy with his car. People with 350Z's are just throwing on cheap single turbo kits and doing 380whp with test pipes and exhaust and are already faster than him
The 350Z VQ35 engine is aluminum
I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but it's about 90 lbs or so lighter than the LS1/6
the LS1 swap 300ZX guy is happy with his car. People with 350Z's are just throwing on cheap single turbo kits and doing 380whp with test pipes and exhaust and are already faster than him
Originally Posted by sentry65
I'll give you this, if we were debating the whole "I'm in the market for a convertable and I want one that's fast" then it'd be a valid criteria to compare the 350Z roadster to the boxters.
Porsche doesn't make a hard top boxter unless you count the cayman - which is clearly better than the Z and better be since it's over 2x the price. Still gotta wonder how much the Cayman or boxter can be modded though. They both have smaller engines than the Z and way less torque. I'd still imagine modding a porsche would be crazy expensive.
Porsche doesn't make a hard top boxter unless you count the cayman - which is clearly better than the Z and better be since it's over 2x the price. Still gotta wonder how much the Cayman or boxter can be modded though. They both have smaller engines than the Z and way less torque. I'd still imagine modding a porsche would be crazy expensive.
It is not a match for a Boxster, nor even close to a Cayman.
Your facts are way off. From the Nissan website, no less....
http://us.nissan.clientsites.carspec...61786620050818
I like all 3 cars myslef, I just can't stand BS. Either post the facts or say IMO.
In the upper left you can change criteria based on several factors and see the Z's base price can climb to 36K. Of course carbon fiber brakes on a Cayman are a 10K option, lol, you gotta pay to play!
Link pooped out on some of my competitor cars, shame.....Cayman S has 5hp and 5ft/lbs less than 2006Z. You can add your own if you're interested in reading the facts according to Nissan, lol, they put and X for front engine over mid engine like it's a great plus...
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ok
well I see now that the 2005 boxter S has 280hp up from the previous 258 and it's 0-60 and 0-100 times reflect that
however..."IMO" the boxter has 240hp and 199tq according to
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/bo...turesandspecs/
IMO their 0-100 time is 14.5 sec and IMO the 350Z's is around 13.9 sec
IMO the boxter does 0-60 in 5.9 sec and the Z does it in 5.8 or less. Actually many publications have reported 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, and 5.6 sec 0-60
IMO the boxter has a .31 drag coefficient compared to the Z's .29
IMO the boxter does weigh about 350 lbs less than the Z, but having less power isn't enough to make up the difference compared to the Z in a straight line. The boxter handles better, but I'm not sure how big you can go on the tires. The Z can have 325mm tires in the rear
IMO the boxter's gearing isn't nearly as aggressive as the boxters
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=604
I know it's the 2004 boxter, but I doubt the transmission gear ratios have changed
the Z's gearing is on here:
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=352
My stepdad owned a 2003 boxter. It had 225hp or something. It was a nice car. I didn't think it was as quick at accelleration as a Z though even with the weight advantage.
IMO the boxter MSRP is $45k
IMO the Z's MSRP is anywhere from $26800 to around $34k
I dunno. that's how I see it. IMO the boxter is a compromise. It gives up the Z's power for some better handling. In the meantime it costs over 50% more
well I see now that the 2005 boxter S has 280hp up from the previous 258 and it's 0-60 and 0-100 times reflect that
however..."IMO" the boxter has 240hp and 199tq according to
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/bo...turesandspecs/
IMO their 0-100 time is 14.5 sec and IMO the 350Z's is around 13.9 sec
IMO the boxter does 0-60 in 5.9 sec and the Z does it in 5.8 or less. Actually many publications have reported 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, and 5.6 sec 0-60
IMO the boxter has a .31 drag coefficient compared to the Z's .29
IMO the boxter does weigh about 350 lbs less than the Z, but having less power isn't enough to make up the difference compared to the Z in a straight line. The boxter handles better, but I'm not sure how big you can go on the tires. The Z can have 325mm tires in the rear
IMO the boxter's gearing isn't nearly as aggressive as the boxters
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=604
I know it's the 2004 boxter, but I doubt the transmission gear ratios have changed
the Z's gearing is on here:
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=352
My stepdad owned a 2003 boxter. It had 225hp or something. It was a nice car. I didn't think it was as quick at accelleration as a Z though even with the weight advantage.
IMO the boxter MSRP is $45k
IMO the Z's MSRP is anywhere from $26800 to around $34k
I dunno. that's how I see it. IMO the boxter is a compromise. It gives up the Z's power for some better handling. In the meantime it costs over 50% more
The Boxster is "all new" -snicker-...redesigned for the 2006 model year. You may not have been aware, just letting you know.
If you'll take the time to bring up the Cayman, you'll see it is all over the Z's power numbers(5/5hp/lb)and of course faster, a result of it's better weight distribution, lighter weight, and superior traction.
I can't stress this enough buddy, but I like the 350Z, recall my first post on this thread defending it. But lets not confuse affordable Japanese sports cars for all out barnstormers. The 350Z is a compromise in every fashion.
Like I said orignally, It is a fantastic and affordable sports car, no more. Nissan learned it's lesson with the 300ZX turbo, Americans will not pay near 40K for a Japanese sports car, especially when for 20-25K you can blow its doors off(F-body) in a straight line...and at many tracks...but not in real world driveablitly(A 350Z does handle better!)....We'll ignore the Vette because that would just ruin this whole thing....Nissan and Porsche, lol.
Anyhow, Nissan wised up, and don't have the ***** to put a Z in the 40K-50K category anymore....thank god, for less than/around 30K they can survive, so long as SUV's die(please!) but I worry for them(and all sports cars).
Hopefully the Camaro will be half as succesful as the new Mustang and 350Z, that will give us over a half dozen real sports/muscle cars in the 25-2=35K category.
don't mind me I'm drunk. And I love arguing cars.
If you'll take the time to bring up the Cayman, you'll see it is all over the Z's power numbers(5/5hp/lb)and of course faster, a result of it's better weight distribution, lighter weight, and superior traction.
I can't stress this enough buddy, but I like the 350Z, recall my first post on this thread defending it. But lets not confuse affordable Japanese sports cars for all out barnstormers. The 350Z is a compromise in every fashion.
Like I said orignally, It is a fantastic and affordable sports car, no more. Nissan learned it's lesson with the 300ZX turbo, Americans will not pay near 40K for a Japanese sports car, especially when for 20-25K you can blow its doors off(F-body) in a straight line...and at many tracks...but not in real world driveablitly(A 350Z does handle better!)....We'll ignore the Vette because that would just ruin this whole thing....Nissan and Porsche, lol.
Anyhow, Nissan wised up, and don't have the ***** to put a Z in the 40K-50K category anymore....thank god, for less than/around 30K they can survive, so long as SUV's die(please!) but I worry for them(and all sports cars).
Hopefully the Camaro will be half as succesful as the new Mustang and 350Z, that will give us over a half dozen real sports/muscle cars in the 25-2=35K category.
don't mind me I'm drunk. And I love arguing cars.
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I will say, the Z sells, but nothing has compared to the 05 mustang. Back when i was in the Ford sales business (dealership) i did a little research. Every year ford redesigned the mustang, the purchases liked to have doubled. I was very pumped when it came out...
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Nice kill man. My friend has a 350Z that went 13.6 stock(auto) that kind has the need to prove something about his car by racing EVERYTHING lol. I love killing or hearing them get killed just to spite him haha.
Originally Posted by sentry65
nah 350whp was 2 years ago
with the new kits out these days ST and TT Z's are doing 400-450whp pretty easy. One guy is doing 550whp on the stock block
even SC Z's are doing 440whp easy these days with full bolt ons. One or two guys are doing 475+whp on a supercharger
there's like 4-5 people that I know of that are doing 600+whp with a TT setup and forged engine
the power is there if you're willing to put the effort in. For the longest time the ECU/EMS was an issue and only recently has had some affordable options come out
with the new kits out these days ST and TT Z's are doing 400-450whp pretty easy. One guy is doing 550whp on the stock block
even SC Z's are doing 440whp easy these days with full bolt ons. One or two guys are doing 475+whp on a supercharger
there's like 4-5 people that I know of that are doing 600+whp with a TT setup and forged engine
the power is there if you're willing to put the effort in. For the longest time the ECU/EMS was an issue and only recently has had some affordable options come out
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I'm interested in a lot of cars and frequent a lot of forums
EVO, 350Z, elise, LS1 cars, corvette, jeeps
I own a modded 350Z, 78 vette, and 2 offroad jeeps. I might end up putting an LS1/6 in the vette, but will probably go with a modded 350 chevy engine
I just like talking about cars and pass on what I know about the Z.
EVO, 350Z, elise, LS1 cars, corvette, jeeps
I own a modded 350Z, 78 vette, and 2 offroad jeeps. I might end up putting an LS1/6 in the vette, but will probably go with a modded 350 chevy engine
I just like talking about cars and pass on what I know about the Z.
I hope I didn't miss it in an earlier post... 
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http://www.geocities.com/sentry65/350z/mods.txt
I'm only doing around 285whp right now at 2990-3000 lbs in race form
I have a whole mess load of parts sitting in my house right now, but shops are booked up and taking xmas vacations, then i'm getting married first half of jan, so my supercharger setup isn't going to go on until late jan.
Should do somewhere around the 420whp when it's done. I know I can push it to 450-460whp, but I'm not sure I want to push the stock block that far just yet
I didn't jump straight to FI cause I knew there was a lot of lacking knowledge and parts available so I've been doing NA and handling mods to tide me over. But things have come around now so I'm going FI
I'm only doing around 285whp right now at 2990-3000 lbs in race form
I have a whole mess load of parts sitting in my house right now, but shops are booked up and taking xmas vacations, then i'm getting married first half of jan, so my supercharger setup isn't going to go on until late jan.
Should do somewhere around the 420whp when it's done. I know I can push it to 450-460whp, but I'm not sure I want to push the stock block that far just yet
I didn't jump straight to FI cause I knew there was a lot of lacking knowledge and parts available so I've been doing NA and handling mods to tide me over. But things have come around now so I'm going FI