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Old 10-18-2010, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Clean94Z
Whats impressive is that ford finally made a normal mustang not svt that could be competitive with other cars in its class. Whats retarded is they did it 12 years after the ls1 was made.
LOL What does it matter if it is SVT or not? That is just some BS Ford made to help sell the cars. It is still made by FORD.
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
So just because its tuned it automatically means it runs 114+ mph traps? Ill take my nice 12 second car over your 11 second rattle box any day of the week...continue on
Seems that way. And if you like going slow that is your choice. And my car doesn't rattle.
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Originally Posted by Clean94Z
Whats impressive is that ford finally made a normal mustang not svt that could be competitive with other cars in its class. Whats retarded is they did it 12 years after the ls1 was made.
Actually 14, the 97 Vette had it and they were for sale in 96, unless you were just talking model years, and it is still 14 then, too (97-2011 or 96-2010). Also, it doesn't matter if they are SVT or not, if you wanted one, you could buy one, they were not limited production. What's retarded is Ford is raping the new 6.2L Camaro with 5 liters. Chew on that. Not to start a brand war, this statement was directed at wonder boy's statement above.
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Originally Posted by Clean94Z
Whats impressive is that ford finally made a normal mustang not svt that could be competitive with other cars in its class. Whats retarded is they did it 12 years after the ls1 was made.
LOl what an idiotic statement. So what, chevy is **** because it took them so long to finally compete with supercars? LOL stop nutswinging.


5.0 is a new engine, we have yet to see its full potential and durability. in the meantime all the **** talking is for the birds...
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Originally Posted by sweet99ss
Yea this guy speeks the truth. just because you have on 5.0 mustang run one time doesn't mean the rest will. Perfect conditions alot of cars will run impressive times.
True, and this lady driving it (with her husband as her mechanic) has been bracket racing since she was a kid: ie, lightweight expert driver. But to me the kicker is that she was also hitting nearly identical times two weeks earlier when I got my 12.1 at Bremerton Raceways where the DA was 900', not the -900' this last weekend at Pacific. Considering that Pacific is a "slower" track and Bremerton is a bit "faster" than the rest I guess it evened out. For the record though: at Bremerton there was 3 other 5.0's running. This ladies husband said that the fastest pass from them bone stock was a 13.5 @108mph- and they were all track pack 6spd manual cars.
Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
So just because its tuned it automatically means it runs 114+ mph traps? Ill take my nice 12 second car over your 11 second rattle box any day of the week...continue on
I believe when we were together a few months ago I told you that I firmly beleived the 5.0's would be in the low 12's with not much more than a tune? Remember that? The computer takes out so much power during the shifts that it's rediculous I said. Turns out I was right- and Tuned 5.0's will no doubt continue to post up 112-115mph traps.

Look guys, it sucks, but it's reality: the 5.0 is the real f***ing deal. Alot like the LS1 when it first came out and blew the minds of the SVT Mustang crowd. Except that now we are the 'SVT Mustang crowd'. Luckily though, our LSx (and SRT8) cars still take to mods better and have ALOT more speed parts available than the 5.0 engine, not to mention a helluva lot cheaper to mod! <<<< ... for now ...

Just remember the other thing I said about the Mustang during that Epic 5.0 versus LS1 thread we did a few months back: the five liter in those stangs has great flowing heads/intake/exhaust that IMO a set of cams will wake up to such a degree that gains akin to camming a LS1 Fbody will be seen. Expect to see 470-500rwhp bolton/tune/cam'd 5.0's in the near future.
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
True, and this lady driving it (with her husband as her mechanic) has been bracket racing since she was a kid: ie, lightweight expert driver. But to me the kicker is that she was also hitting nearly identical times two weeks earlier when I got my 12.1 at Bremerton Raceways where the DA was 900', not the -900' this last weekend at Pacific. Considering that Pacific is a "slower" track and Bremerton is a bit "faster" than the rest I guess it evened out. For the record though: at Bremerton there was 3 other 5.0's running. This ladies husband said that the fastest pass from them bone stock was a 13.5 @108mph- and they were all track pack 6spd manual cars.

I believe when we were together a few months ago I told you that I firmly beleived the 5.0's would be in the low 12's with not much more than a tune? Remember that? The computer takes out so much power during the shifts that it's rediculous I said. Turns out I was right- and Tuned 5.0's will no doubt continue to post up 112-115mph traps.

Look guys, it sucks, but it's reality: the 5.0 is the real f***ing deal. Alot like the LS1 when it first came out and blew the minds of the SVT Mustang crowd. Except that now we are the 'SVT Mustang crowd'. Luckily though, our LSx (and SRT8) cars still take to mods better than the 5.0 engine, not to mention a helluva lot cheaper to mod! <<<< ... for now ...

Just remember the other thing I said about the Mustang during that Epic 5.0 versus LS1 thread we did a few months back: the five liter in those stangs has great flowing heads/intake/exhaust that IMO a set of cams will wake up to such a degree that gains akin to camming a LS1 Fbody will be seen. Expect to see 470-500rwhp bolton/tune/cam'd 5.0's in the near future.
I Agree 100% Im not saying they arent capable of doing 114+ Traps I just said not everyone will get those times and trap speeds. Just like how some guys cant get LS1's out of low 13's with full bolt ons lol
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
I Agree 100% Im not saying they arent capable of doing 114+ Traps I just said not everyone will get those times and trap speeds. Just like how some guys cant get LS1's out of low 13's with full bolt ons lol
Hey I know some of those guys.
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I agree sticks and stones, damn 5.0s are tuned from the factory to run on 87 octane.....how many other 400+ cars come from the factory tuned for 87 octane? They put no timing in the cars hence why a tune for 93 nets such good gains.
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Ignoring OP's butt hurt statement... lol

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
With a 111mph trap speed I wouldn't..
A tuned 5.0 would probably run the same that day.


Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
I Agree 100% Im not saying they arent capable of doing 114+ Traps I just said not everyone will get those times and trap speeds. Just like how some guys cant get LS1's out of low 13's with full bolt ons lol
113/114 for tuned SRT-8s in good DA too.
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Hey NiteRiderWS6: wanna run that 5.0 against your SRT8? We can setup another epic showdown! I'll be in Victorville again at the beginning of December.
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I just saw a 5.0 net 465hp just from a tune on speed last night.. that's crazy but they are way under powered frpm the factory.
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
I Agree 100% Im not saying they arent capable of doing 114+ Traps I just said not everyone will get those times and trap speeds. Just like how some guys cant get LS1's out of low 13's with full bolt ons lol
On the Mustang boards new ones are popping up on almost a daily basis. This was posted today, and I don't think he's a good driver IMO off the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up6HZwB2iOU

again, bolt ons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmO_y...eature=related
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A few days ago I saw a bolt on/tune 5.0 yank a Hayabusa on the freeway.
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The diehards will never except the times.

Your pushrod motors are awesome for what they are, but a 4 valve is always a better design.
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
I think I've seen two or three run good times.

Get you some of this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtjVpBVbt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8SlTMfxK7U

My car is no where near fast as yours but we do wheelies all day also.
BTW...I think the new 5.0 is a very nice car. Aslong as it's not a ricer.
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
The diehards will never except the times.

Your pushrod motors are awesome for what they are, but a 4 valve is always a better design.
Couldn't disagree more. Both designs have advantages and disadvantages. People get hung up on the hp/liter argument. If the pushrod engine has a smaller physical package, makes comparable power, and manages better fuel efficiency then hp/liter is meaningless to me. I would expect the current setup on the C5 to dyno somewhere in the range of 450-470rwhp. It still gets 28-31 on the highway.

Our G8 is within 1MPG of the new Taurus SHO and matches it's performance with a simple OHV V8 vs the twin turbo OHC V6. It has gotten as high as 28MPG on a trip. Our last trip it managed 26-27MPG. I don't have to tell you which I would rather maintain.

There really isn't anything wrong with either engine topology. Soon we'll have computer actuated valves and different head designs and the topic will be moot.
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The new 5.0s are going to be stupid boosted...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04V_f9hOCCU
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
The new 5.0s are going to be stupid boosted...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04V_f9hOCCU
543whp on 6psi... very impressive. That's about what a cammed LT1 makes on 6psi.
STUPID power.
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
543whp on 6psi... very impressive. That's about what a cammed LT1 makes on 6psi.
STUPID power.
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
A few days ago I saw a bolt on/tune 5.0 yank a Hayabusa on the freeway.
LOL

didnt know that watching a handful of videos of them doing low 12s and high 11s mean they automatically do those times. good to know



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