VIDEOS: Mark IV Supra vs C6 Corvette
12-12-2010, 03:13 PM
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That supra was pretty slow..As a LS2 vette is barely faster than a LS1 fbody..
LS1 Fbody wll do what...13.1 at 108 with good driveing and the LS2 C6 will do 12.6 at 113 with good driving...
14 psi=3 cars back
18 psi =1/2 car back
21 psi should have the supra 1.5 cars ahead
still seems slow to me?????? is that supra just stock turbos and all??? And what psi can it max out on stock?
LS1 Fbody wll do what...13.1 at 108 with good driveing and the LS2 C6 will do 12.6 at 113 with good driving...
14 psi=3 cars back
18 psi =1/2 car back
21 psi should have the supra 1.5 cars ahead
still seems slow to me?????? is that supra just stock turbos and all??? And what psi can it max out on stock?
12-12-2010, 03:20 PM
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After picking my head back up after a couple of days of sulking..I just started to make more mods....billet flywheel and clutch is on the Christmas list.
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12-12-2010, 03:37 PM
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What's your best ET/mph with your current setup?
12-12-2010, 04:52 PM
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Must....Correct....Ignorance....
And honestly, without all those cubes, you couldn't hang with a well built n/a honda.
Well I guess all those cubic inches are the only way you can win, right?
Mega-ricer statement.
So, like going faster with less displacement? Like say, less than 6 liters?
See how stupid you argument looks? You complaining about boost is the same as imports complaining about how much displacement we need. Different cars get it done in different ways. Why can't you just repsect a fellow enthusiast?
x2
but I guess if that's the only way you can win
Even when I lose they still look bad.
These days respect is earned by doing more with less.
See how stupid you argument looks? You complaining about boost is the same as imports complaining about how much displacement we need. Different cars get it done in different ways. Why can't you just repsect a fellow enthusiast?
x2
12-12-2010, 05:00 PM
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I've had a Termi Cobra and an Evo 8....I used to HATE when people ran smack sayin "I bet you wouldn't beat me with out that S/C or that Turbo"....Well NO $H!+....The car was built with that...I bet you wouldn't beat me without that rear tire on your car either....I now drive a CTS-V LS6 and I LOVE the car and all that it has to offer, but I KNOW that it isn't as fast as either of the previous 2 cars I had.
12-12-2010, 06:26 PM
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Not bitter by any means..
Just saying that the "killer" Supras are usually the ones with 35 to 40 psi of boost. Sh*t yea they are going to be fast! When the Supra came out they were pretty fast for the day but they are not the killers without the 35 lbs of boost.
I don't know, just seen too may people get all excited over a car that is really not fast in its stock form. It seems that the mention of the word "Supra" seems to get people all excited.
I look at it like this... A Zo6 or a Viper is fast out of the box. I appreciate that and druel when I see cars like that. They are well engineered and designed to be performance cars. By taking cars such as these and adding a turbo or SC, you are already making a fast car into something faster. A stock Supra would be a good race for 2V GT. The fact that they can be made to be fast and make that much Hp is impressive but in its basic form, it is nothing to write home about.
Maybe I am talking nonsense but that is how I see it. Maybe I am missing something or I just don't like imports.
I might need some soul searching to find out what my issue is..
Just saying that the "killer" Supras are usually the ones with 35 to 40 psi of boost. Sh*t yea they are going to be fast! When the Supra came out they were pretty fast for the day but they are not the killers without the 35 lbs of boost.
I don't know, just seen too may people get all excited over a car that is really not fast in its stock form. It seems that the mention of the word "Supra" seems to get people all excited.
I look at it like this... A Zo6 or a Viper is fast out of the box. I appreciate that and druel when I see cars like that. They are well engineered and designed to be performance cars. By taking cars such as these and adding a turbo or SC, you are already making a fast car into something faster. A stock Supra would be a good race for 2V GT. The fact that they can be made to be fast and make that much Hp is impressive but in its basic form, it is nothing to write home about.
Maybe I am talking nonsense but that is how I see it. Maybe I am missing something or I just don't like imports.
I might need some soul searching to find out what my issue is..
Also most people find it a lot more respectable and unique to beat something that is known to be pretty fast with something that is not generally accepted as fast. It is just a trade off. Pay money up front for a factory fast car or build it your self and make it your own. I'm laughing that I'm even having to justify car modification on ls1tech of all places.
12-12-2010, 10:17 PM
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Not bitter by any means..
Just saying that the "killer" Supras are usually the ones with 35 to 40 psi of boost. Sh*t yea they are going to be fast! When the Supra came out they were pretty fast for the day but they are not the killers without the 35 lbs of boost.
I don't know, just seen too may people get all excited over a car that is really not fast in its stock form. It seems that the mention of the word "Supra" seems to get people all excited.
I look at it like this... A Zo6 or a Viper is fast out of the box. I appreciate that and druel when I see cars like that. They are well engineered and designed to be performance cars. By taking cars such as these and adding a turbo or SC, you are already making a fast car into something faster. A stock Supra would be a good race for 2V GT. The fact that they can be made to be fast and make that much Hp is impressive but in its basic form, it is nothing to write home about.
Maybe I am talking nonsense but that is how I see it. Maybe I am missing something or I just don't like imports.
I might need some soul searching to find out what my issue is..
Just saying that the "killer" Supras are usually the ones with 35 to 40 psi of boost. Sh*t yea they are going to be fast! When the Supra came out they were pretty fast for the day but they are not the killers without the 35 lbs of boost.
I don't know, just seen too may people get all excited over a car that is really not fast in its stock form. It seems that the mention of the word "Supra" seems to get people all excited.
I look at it like this... A Zo6 or a Viper is fast out of the box. I appreciate that and druel when I see cars like that. They are well engineered and designed to be performance cars. By taking cars such as these and adding a turbo or SC, you are already making a fast car into something faster. A stock Supra would be a good race for 2V GT. The fact that they can be made to be fast and make that much Hp is impressive but in its basic form, it is nothing to write home about.
Maybe I am talking nonsense but that is how I see it. Maybe I am missing something or I just don't like imports.
I might need some soul searching to find out what my issue is..
I wonder if we are actually twins???? This is what ive been saying for the longest..WOW..a mid 13 second car at 104 mph that cost 40K!!!!!!!!!!!!
man I want one of those!!!!!!!
Agreed they can be nast..but at that point is it the supra thats so impressive or the 20K someone dropped into it???
Is a 2003 Cobra not a fairly rare car and 35-40K brand new and actually a high 12 second car at 111 mph out of the box that turns into a low 12 at 116 mph car with a pulley change and bolt ons for a grand??????
What are they with 20k invested???? 600-700-800 rwhp of domestic furry with less lag as they are atleaste motivated by a V8 and roots style blower that makes power starting near redline...
Yet I dont see near the respect given to them as the supra though they are very similar in every way...
really the supra just didnt have much competition in japan besides the nsx and GTR..While the cobra fends against 70k vettes and 85K vipers and 150K FGt's and looks a lil limp wristed...
Lightniong Teg...My calculations are normally dead on...Ask anyone who's ever raced me how close I was....Lets see if he pulls the vette by 1.5 cars on 21 psi???????
12-12-2010, 10:22 PM
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Sounds like you have got it figured out to me. What does the amount of boost a car is running have to do with anything?
Also most people find it a lot more respectable and unique to beat something that is known to be pretty fast with something that is not generally accepted as fast. It is just a trade off. Pay money up front for a factory fast car or build it your self and make it your own. I'm laughing that I'm even having to justify car modification on ls1tech of all places.
Also most people find it a lot more respectable and unique to beat something that is known to be pretty fast with something that is not generally accepted as fast. It is just a trade off. Pay money up front for a factory fast car or build it your self and make it your own. I'm laughing that I'm even having to justify car modification on ls1tech of all places.
Couldnt you put a 200 shot on a S2000 and hit 400 rwhp and dust most cars?????? Whats so impressive about that
12-12-2010, 10:32 PM
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These days when the slower fast cars are trapping 117 plus mph yea..i guess their isnt much differance between 108 and 113..I was always underwhelmed with the LS2's..
Actually that 113 is being generous. most of them were 109-112 mph...The pcm was just weak on those if I remember correctly and ate a lot of power..
plus 335 rwhp compared the the fbody's 305 rwhp wasnt exactly stellar as well....Luckily it is 250 pounds lighter than an fbody or it would hardly been any faster..
Now the LS3 is a 375 rwhp dynoing beaste! It might only be 36 more HP than the LS2 on paper but actually dynos 40 plus more rwhp..meaning it's around 50 more crank HP
Actually that 113 is being generous. most of them were 109-112 mph...The pcm was just weak on those if I remember correctly and ate a lot of power..
plus 335 rwhp compared the the fbody's 305 rwhp wasnt exactly stellar as well....Luckily it is 250 pounds lighter than an fbody or it would hardly been any faster..
Now the LS3 is a 375 rwhp dynoing beaste! It might only be 36 more HP than the LS2 on paper but actually dynos 40 plus more rwhp..meaning it's around 50 more crank HP
12-12-2010, 11:19 PM
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Not bitter by any means..
Just saying that the "killer" Supras are usually the ones with 35 to 40 psi of boost. Sh*t yea they are going to be fast! When the Supra came out they were pretty fast for the day but they are not the killers without the 35 lbs of boost.
I don't know, just seen too may people get all excited over a car that is really not fast in its stock form. It seems that the mention of the word "Supra" seems to get people all excited.
I look at it like this... A Zo6 or a Viper is fast out of the box. I appreciate that and druel when I see cars like that. They are well engineered and designed to be performance cars. By taking cars such as these and adding a turbo or SC, you are already making a fast car into something faster. A stock Supra would be a good race for 2V GT. The fact that they can be made to be fast and make that much Hp is impressive but in its basic form, it is nothing to write home about.
Maybe I am talking nonsense but that is how I see it. Maybe I am missing something or I just don't like imports.
I might need some soul searching to find out what my issue is..
Just saying that the "killer" Supras are usually the ones with 35 to 40 psi of boost. Sh*t yea they are going to be fast! When the Supra came out they were pretty fast for the day but they are not the killers without the 35 lbs of boost.
I don't know, just seen too may people get all excited over a car that is really not fast in its stock form. It seems that the mention of the word "Supra" seems to get people all excited.
I look at it like this... A Zo6 or a Viper is fast out of the box. I appreciate that and druel when I see cars like that. They are well engineered and designed to be performance cars. By taking cars such as these and adding a turbo or SC, you are already making a fast car into something faster. A stock Supra would be a good race for 2V GT. The fact that they can be made to be fast and make that much Hp is impressive but in its basic form, it is nothing to write home about.
Maybe I am talking nonsense but that is how I see it. Maybe I am missing something or I just don't like imports.
I might need some soul searching to find out what my issue is..
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12-12-2010, 11:32 PM
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I ******* hate double posting but in most cases a strong BPU (bolt on) Supra can trap as high as 120mph with good DA and 20psi. The stock turbos have been pushed as high at 24 psi but not recommended. My friend raced my C5 Z when I only had an intake and ported throttle body, he was at 18psi with full bolt ons. We ran from 40, 50, and a couple times at 60. He beat me by 2 cars on the 50 and 60 rolls he beat me by 1.5 cars on the 40. And thats a 93 supra with about $1500 in mods (same mods as the Supra in this thread plus a dyno tune)
12-12-2010, 11:36 PM
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I ******* hate double posting but in most cases a strong BPU (bolt on) Supra can trap as high as 120mph with good DA and 20psi. The stock turbos have been pushed as high at 24 psi but not recommended. My friend raced my C5 Z when I only had an intake and ported throttle body, he was at 18psi with full bolt ons. We ran from 40, 50, and a couple times at 60. He beat me by 2 cars on the 50 and 60 rolls he beat me by 1.5 cars on the 40. And thats a 93 supra with about $1500 in mods (same mods as the Supra in this thread plus a dyno tune)
12-12-2010, 11:47 PM
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I would agree with this as those supra's had "320hp" Which we all know they were a little bit more pepped up then that, esp a tune and a little more boost with stock turbo's. The power and weight is very similar to a LS1 F-body. With the supra just about 100 pounds heavier. 
The main advantage of the F-Body is the price. Def hard to find any supra for a good deal, they still want top dollar for them. Granted they aren't as common. Even the N/A supra's are expensive...
The main advantage of the F-Body is the price. Def hard to find any supra for a good deal, they still want top dollar for them. Granted they aren't as common. Even the N/A supra's are expensive...
12-12-2010, 11:53 PM
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I wonder if we are actually twins???? This is what ive been saying for the longest..WOW..a mid 13 second car at 104 mph that cost 40K!!!!!!!!!!!!
man I want one of those!!!!!!!
Agreed they can be nast..but at that point is it the supra thats so impressive or the 20K someone dropped into it???
Is a 2003 Cobra not a fairly rare car and 35-40K brand new and actually a high 12 second car at 111 mph out of the box that turns into a low 12 at 116 mph car with a pulley change and bolt ons for a grand??????
What are they with 20k invested???? 600-700-800 rwhp of domestic furry with less lag as they are atleaste motivated by a V8 and roots style blower that makes power starting near redline...
Yet I dont see near the respect given to them as the supra though they are very similar in every way...
really the supra just didnt have much competition in japan besides the nsx and GTR..While the cobra fends against 70k vettes and 85K vipers and 150K FGt's and looks a lil limp wristed...
Lightniong Teg...My calculations are normally dead on...Ask anyone who's ever raced me how close I was....Lets see if he pulls the vette by 1.5 cars on 21 psi???????
man I want one of those!!!!!!!
Agreed they can be nast..but at that point is it the supra thats so impressive or the 20K someone dropped into it???
Is a 2003 Cobra not a fairly rare car and 35-40K brand new and actually a high 12 second car at 111 mph out of the box that turns into a low 12 at 116 mph car with a pulley change and bolt ons for a grand??????
What are they with 20k invested???? 600-700-800 rwhp of domestic furry with less lag as they are atleaste motivated by a V8 and roots style blower that makes power starting near redline...
Yet I dont see near the respect given to them as the supra though they are very similar in every way...
really the supra just didnt have much competition in japan besides the nsx and GTR..While the cobra fends against 70k vettes and 85K vipers and 150K FGt's and looks a lil limp wristed...
Lightniong Teg...My calculations are normally dead on...Ask anyone who's ever raced me how close I was....Lets see if he pulls the vette by 1.5 cars on 21 psi???????
Sorry guys...I just don't jump on the bandwagon because everone else says what an amazing car this is.
Anyway, I will shut my mouth and leave this thread..This was just my view.
12-13-2010, 12:08 AM
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Well 2 stock term cobras, 1 331rwhp saleen, 1 gt500, 1 100shot gto, and a really pissed off ws6 with cam headers and tune could not hang so yeah. Against a 40 year old engine design you would think these late models could do more than get better gas mileage. PAH!
12-13-2010, 12:18 AM
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In any case, the amount of cam (along with ITB's) and all that fun stuff would make it impractical for daily driving.
Now a nice mild K setup with some spray, that could be nasty. But turbo is always easier, cheaper, more potential, more powerband and on and on.