Ran up against another '11 5.0
01-06-2011, 10:52 AM
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01-06-2011, 10:55 AM
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For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
01-06-2011, 11:15 AM
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It can happen depending on the driver. There are also a lot of factors into play other than HP weight and torque.
For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
01-06-2011, 11:17 AM
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You may wanna specify your meaning on the 2K Cobra... There wasn't a Cobra for 2000. The 98 Cobra ran 13.40's in testing though(and it was essentially the same as a 96), so I believe it was clear competition for the F-body of the time, obviously quicker in my book, as the 98 Z was obviously quicker than the 98 GT. The 1st run of 99's had ISSUES, but Ford (graciously, since they didn't have to) recalled them to make up for obvious problems in claimed power. That recall prompted dismissal of the 2000 model, and a return in 2001. The Mach1 had many changes and I think it ran best, prior to the 03 and excluding R models.
Finally, not every year along the way, was the Mustang "lead dog" in the hunt. Once the LS1 came out, it was CLEAR competition and for anyone who didn't really know how to drive their Cobra, tail lights would be in their future, until the 03 model hit the streets in June of '02.
The Cobra was competition just like the GT... For cryin' out loud, GM offered the SS and WS6/Formula and their "aftermarket" version from SLP in several yrs, as well as the pre LT1 Firehawk and all those using that or the LS1, not to mention the IROC Z. Those were competition too, even if the Cobra was their primary counterpart. The SS was only a shade different from a standard Z where performance is concerned... Ford simply stepped it up much more than GM for those like models. Bottom line: Ford's approach WORKED! GM should've done the same thing, offering better quality AND an even better performing upgrade. Look what Ford offers now in comparison to the general GT... Now GM is bringing back the Z/28 and it's following the footsteps of Ford... A winning idea, obviously.
^^^ That.
Dead even? Heh... If you had an IROC Z's, perhaps... Non IROC basically meant NON-competitive against the Mustang from '85 till the '93 hit the street. There's much more to be said, but I'm not gonna bore you with the details. You've had plenty of time to check into them. One more thing though... The 350 prior to the 93 model, was indeed rare throughout the 85-92 models. I'm thinking they only built about 1500 with that "strong" 350(of 1987 or so).... The other couple hundred thousand, including the 305(5.0L that is) were MEAT! As for the LT1, Ford did offer the Cobra from 93-97 and for the most part, that was either close, or outright better in terms of performance. The LS1 can be argued for all day long, but the LT1 simply wasn't all that compared to it or the DOHC 4.6L where performance is concerned.
Finally, not every year along the way, was the Mustang "lead dog" in the hunt. Once the LS1 came out, it was CLEAR competition and for anyone who didn't really know how to drive their Cobra, tail lights would be in their future, until the 03 model hit the streets in June of '02.
The Cobra was competition just like the GT... For cryin' out loud, GM offered the SS and WS6/Formula and their "aftermarket" version from SLP in several yrs, as well as the pre LT1 Firehawk and all those using that or the LS1, not to mention the IROC Z. Those were competition too, even if the Cobra was their primary counterpart. The SS was only a shade different from a standard Z where performance is concerned... Ford simply stepped it up much more than GM for those like models. Bottom line: Ford's approach WORKED! GM should've done the same thing, offering better quality AND an even better performing upgrade. Look what Ford offers now in comparison to the general GT... Now GM is bringing back the Z/28 and it's following the footsteps of Ford... A winning idea, obviously.
^^^ That.
Dead even? Heh... If you had an IROC Z's, perhaps... Non IROC basically meant NON-competitive against the Mustang from '85 till the '93 hit the street. There's much more to be said, but I'm not gonna bore you with the details. You've had plenty of time to check into them. One more thing though... The 350 prior to the 93 model, was indeed rare throughout the 85-92 models. I'm thinking they only built about 1500 with that "strong" 350(of 1987 or so).... The other couple hundred thousand, including the 305(5.0L that is) were MEAT! As for the LT1, Ford did offer the Cobra from 93-97 and for the most part, that was either close, or outright better in terms of performance. The LS1 can be argued for all day long, but the LT1 simply wasn't all that compared to it or the DOHC 4.6L where performance is concerned.
Jk.Some long time Fbody people may remember that you could get a dealer installed option back in 91-92 Firebirds. Included SLP runners,prom,exhaust,cai which made it rated at 275HP.
A 1992 Firehawk could run low 13s easy and be ordered from any dealer as well however it was a sales failure.
A 1992 Firehawk could run low 13s easy and be ordered from any dealer as well however it was a sales failure.
It's not all about hp/weight.
It can happen depending on the driver. There are also a lot of factors into play other than HP weight and torque.
For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
01-06-2011, 11:58 AM
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It can happen depending on the driver. There are also a lot of factors into play other than HP weight and torque.
For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
For example take two cars. Both have the same weight, power, torque etc. One has independent suspension. The other has a live rear axel. Which do you think will have the advantage?
You can't theorize everything.
01-06-2011, 12:51 PM
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01-06-2011, 01:21 PM
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I think the 13.6 was a fluke after probably countless runs. I can honestly say given a stock 2004 GT I could spend a week at the track and never get a 13.6. I just don't think the power and the tire is there for it...
01-06-2011, 01:38 PM
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The IROC was the only z28 model available for the years of 85-89 when the IROC name was owned by GM. There was no regular z28 when the IROC was out. The IROC name was dropped in 90 and the z28 returned. So of course the only the IROC got the 350tpi motor. The IROC z28 was the only one produced. FYI number8 as an F identified a 305 and 8 was the 350. You dont have any magical eye....it was common knowledge. LMAO at you thinking the IROC was special though.
01-06-2011, 01:46 PM
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Actually I think it was like 3 runs. Who knows. I know I got a 13.9 and I'm no Evan.
01-06-2011, 01:56 PM
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^That **** made me LOL literally. Only you would think of something like that. 
I knew it was either '88 or 89. So I was only 1/2 right.
01-06-2011, 02:46 PM
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Sorry it was 88 they dropped the z28. The only way to get a 350tpi was with an auto too. Just because it was an iroc didnt mean it had a 350.
z28 came back at 1991. Eitherway the 350tpi motor didnt come out until 1986and irocs had 305s as well as z28s for all the iroc years.
Its been about 5 years since I logged into thirdgen.org. I get a little rusty.
z28 came back at 1991. Eitherway the 350tpi motor didnt come out until 1986and irocs had 305s as well as z28s for all the iroc years.
Its been about 5 years since I logged into thirdgen.org. I get a little rusty.
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
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The 350TPI debuted in 87. It was saddled with a single cat exhaust. IROC's first year was 1985 and last 1990. Z28s could be had from that period to 87 as mentioned. 90 IROCs are rare-they were only made for about 4 months and then the Z28 replaced it. Chevy lost the rights to the name and Dodge had the rights since their Daytonas were being raced in that series. I seem to recall after 1990 if you wanted a 350 tpi you were stuck with a hardtop unlike other years as well, Same went if you wanted a 305 tpi 5 speed dual cat car with 323s. First year of the TPI 305 was 1985(you had to have an auto if you wanted it). Hp dropped in 86 TPI in autos due to the famous peanut cam(which was the 305 TBI cam). Peanut cam was not used in 5 speed 305 TPI in later years.
I think IROCs are beautiful cars. Quick lesson in spotting the years-85s no third brake light. 86 had brake light on the upper hatch area. 87s in rear wing. 88-90s had IROC emblem moved to the rear of the door. 90 Irocs had an airbag in steering wheel. 350 TPIs could be identified by 5.7 emblems on rear bumper and below Iroc emblem on lower rocker panels on the front.
I think IROCs are beautiful cars. Quick lesson in spotting the years-85s no third brake light. 86 had brake light on the upper hatch area. 87s in rear wing. 88-90s had IROC emblem moved to the rear of the door. 90 Irocs had an airbag in steering wheel. 350 TPIs could be identified by 5.7 emblems on rear bumper and below Iroc emblem on lower rocker panels on the front.
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
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Sorry it was 88 they dropped the z28. The only way to get a 350tpi was with an auto too. Just because it was an iroc didnt mean it had a 350.
z28 came back at 1991. Eitherway the 350tpi motor didnt come out until 1986 and irocs had 305s as well as z28s for all the iroc years.
Its been about 5 years since I logged into thirdgen.org. I get a little rusty.
z28 came back at 1991. Eitherway the 350tpi motor didnt come out until 1986 and irocs had 305s as well as z28s for all the iroc years.
Its been about 5 years since I logged into thirdgen.org. I get a little rusty.