thunderstruck507

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trap speed is an average over the last distance of the track...not the actual speed that trips the light

it is calculated by how long the car takes to go between those 2 points at the end of the track

Irunelevens

I'd say just from the amount of experienced LS1 drivers out there (those that race and post on internet forums, at least) it's more likely. But it still takes an I/H/E F-body with a good driver to convincingly beat a stock 5.0 with a good driver.
I can agree with that. A 2V running in the 13s requires a good driver, good DA, and good track prep. And a great familiarity with the car (launch technique, shift points, etc). Any halfway-decent driver in a 6spd F-body should be able to hit a 13.5.

assasinator

i used the limited head example because the poster was using the ls3 vs. coyote as his example. with better heads the coyote will hardly make less power in a maximized example.

i had to break down the argument to its basics to illustrate that a 5 liter engine with better flow and dynacmic characteristics is just as good as a larger motor with inferior flow and dynamics.


your argument is to allow 500+ cfm heads to illustrate the superiority of cubic inches. DUH. no kidding. in the limited world of bolt on and H/C/I street cars, the 500cfm prostock 707 shotgun is hardly a valid example of "no replacement for displacement".

assasinator

hold on right here i wanna chime in on this.

1st.....THE REASON I MODDED MY 96 2V WAS THE LS1
2nd.....i changed heads, updated to PI with the compression bump that goes with it

3rd. long tubes, 75mm throttle body, upper intake, offroad exhaust, tune...

4th raced a stock ls1 from a roll and did well to 80 from 60-80 i held up a little. then at 85 it was like i put my car in reverse. no bullshit. REVERSE!!!!!!


5th put a 5.4 3v in it and built countless intake manifolds from the stock manifold till i finally got to match the LS1 m6 and could just pull away from an auto ls1. exhaust with variable mufflers, custom intake, ud pullies, no tune.

a 98 z28 a4 blew up on the interstate racing me when the 3V was modded. he lost in more ways than one. said it was tuned and the rev limit was too high. felt bad for him.

8.5 @ 82.5 when it was stock -250rwhp/340rwtq
never ran it with the intake and mods at the track. -gave up patially because of 19mpg 3.90 gears. put the turbo in it and lightened it to 2973.


it took all those steps. my 2v was murdered by LS1's. murdered.and it wasnt stock.

Irunelevens

Did you ever run the PI-swap/bolt-on setup at the track?

assasinator

no never did. it was quick compared to other 2v's, even being an auto i had no problems killing new edges, sn cobras, etc. mind you any ford can manual shift to 2nd, so i was always in the right gear for hitting it. it never beat a LS till i put the 5.4 3v in it.

marc97taws6

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I try not to be a nutswinger but HOLY HELL Livernois, that C6Z is SICK!

Your new 5.0 is definitely impressive also. Coming from a bolt-on LT1, anything running 120+mph traps is impressive to me

WSsick

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You're selling!?!?!? Making the move to the C6 now?

It'llrun

Yeah... I would think they'd use the same kind of system for each though, that's all. It makes for a much better, or at least more convincing, way of telling the story. At the time, they may not have had any clear way to accomplish the tasks identically... Idonno. I just know it's really weird to see them say it took longer to reach 100 than it did to cover the 1/4, but that it finished the 1/4 at over 100mph...

marc97taws6

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Ehh, working on it. Putting the car up for sale and if I can grab the price I want (which I think is fair), I'll part with it for awhile. Looking into getting a 2010 GS or a used 06-08 Z06 here in a couple years

DAVESS02

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Damn! That reminds me of the last time I was at Gateway. I lined up with a mid 90's mustang and it was loud and cackling like it had a donkey dick cam. Thought I was gonna get the hell smoked outta me. His car ran a 14.5. I couldnt believe it.

Ke^in

No.
Why don't you read my posts? I am not going to look up a bunch of videos for you. Why? Because when I do you'll start the "PROOVE IT'S STOCK111!1" Been through this before. Sorry not gonna take the bait. You either know what you are talking about or you don't. And I couldn't care less if you want to stay ignorant.

Ke^in

A S95 non PI car, even with bolt-ons isn't the same as a 99-04 with bolt ons.

The link I gave showed a 2v with SOME bolt-ons (Not all) pulling high 12s.

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=998283

mods:

4.10s, full exhaust, intake with plenum, built rear

1.74 60'
8.13 @ 86
12.7 @ 106

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQKL5aM5DI

if high 12s can't beat most stock to slightly modded LS1s I don't know what to say. The LS1 must have came with those "LONG ARM" mods that pushes the car next to it back ;-)

It'llrun

Might ya think there was something wrong with it, like maybe it wasn't a V8 powered car or that it wasn't running correctly? I would, just sayin'... After all, a stock one should do that rather normally, if running properly. Even the slow ones (94-95GT) should see low 15's without much trouble(stock). Idonno, maybe it was a 95GT 'vert auto with leather...

Ke^in

I know someone on here that had a mid 90s Mustang with a donky dick cam (And a few other tricks ) that ran mid 11s. N/A to boot.

ss1129

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Im impressed that you know someone that had something.

Ke^in

Is that what you are? Impressed? *gives annoyed look, grabs tomato, squeezes it and takes off*

If you were reading, I said ON HERE. Meaning in this forum. We ALL know this person. ;-)

It'llrun

I don't remember what yr it was, but probably around 2000... A guy I kinda despise had the idea he'd set a record with 306cubes N/A using factory production iron heads in a Fox body... 86 GT. From there, it wound up running 10.8x. He got his record. That said, I'm not 100% convinced the "factory" they came from wasn't TFS... He also set several other records over the yrs and owned a 95 GTS that ran 8.2's with a small block while retaining street ability and legality(minus cats). It even had to use street legal tires(although barely). Same car set records in Renegade before then, running 9.60's with a 302 when basically everyone else only ran 10.20's. He knew SEVERAL people who knew how to build engines, etc. Today, almost all of it seems trivial. Not slow, but not so fast either. My own car ran 11's as far back as 97, but I was short on cubic dollars...

DAVESS02

iTrader: (30)

Hard telling if it was tuned right. It was a GT and def. a V8 with several mods. If it were my car I'd have been real disappointed with it. Anyway, those 2v heads are turds compared to the 4v ones for sure.

Ke^in

And it's not even the valves that matter. I mean they matter, but it the 2v head design that simply sucked. They make a nice set of 2v twisted wedge heads that fix that problem easily. They flow air like stock 4v heads do.